21 "Pro Gun" bills in the last 4 years?

[Worriedman]

Had a long conversation with a sitting Senator last evening on another venue, and he professed that we should be so very happy with the efforts by our legislature on our behalf, saying that he and his cohorts had passed 21 "Pro Gun" bills in the last 4 years.  I asked him to send me his list, as I have no remembrance of such Herculean efforts on the part of Tennessee, or maybe I had fallen down and bumped my head.

The 107th General assembly produced these public chapters by his own accounting:

 

 

Seems to be one clarification of an existing situation regarding receiving shipments of a block powder weapon to or from a personal residence, but did not advance any rights as I can tell.  Other than that, deals with the production of "protected class" instances regarding judges and Law Enforcement. Maybe it is just me being ungrateful to the first majority Republican House, Senate and holder of the Governor's mansion.

 

The two years before, when there was basically and even number of Democrats and Republicans in the House, a Republican majority in the Senate and a Democrat in the Governor's seat there were 17 supposed "Pro Gun" bills passed:

 

 

Appears to be some more "Protected Class" stuff in that period as well.

 

 

Edited February 19, 2013 by Worriedman

[GKar]

LOL, WM...I really, really had to sit on my hands watching that evolve...

[Worriedman]

LOL, WM...I really, really had to sit on my hands watching that evolve...

I am computer challenged, never made any assertions otherwise, mess ticks me off when you think you have it figured out and it goes all screwy. :rant:

 

You have to admit though, I do not give up easy...

Edited February 19, 2013 by Worriedman

[Guest 556or762]

OK so ther than, 288-0885, 339-1009,0431, what was good for your average citizen of TN?  I am all for the stuff dealing with disaster issues in the wake of Katrina events (0288,0885) and I use (0339,1009) or Guns In Bars as the media labelled it when it was in the house for consideration, and (0431) the ability of a carry permit holder to have a chambered or un chambered loaded rifle in their vehicle, but other than that I am not a law enforcement officer or judge so none of the others apply to me at all, did he actually know what he was signing did he really think those were for the average guy in TN?

[RobertNashville]

I was following the exchange last night with the Senator...I had a feeling that most of the pro-firearm legislation he was talking about did little or nothing to actually advance (actually restore) our already heavily infringed rights.

 

I'm not saying that the laws they did pass were necessarily unneeded/unimportant but any attempt to hold up these bills as proof of how pro-2A the TN legislature has been the past four or especially the past two is laughable...it's the legislative equivalent of "I know you are dying of starvation so I'll give you one bottle of water to help you out.

 

I mean, gosh, golly, wow - we don't have to put our SSN on the form used to show completion of the safety course for our HCP...that's GREAT!   Too bad anyone who wants it can find out we HAVE and HCP and our RINO Lt. Governor is willing to change that.

[Guest 270win]

Ask him why the parks have not been pre empted yet?  Are there not votes for this?  Why is my handgun carry permit not a substitute for TICS like my CHL was in Arkansas a NICS substitute?

[Wingshooter]

0621 was HUGE for me. Glad to have that one for sure.

[LagerHead]

Until they fully recognize the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America they can pass all the feel good B.S. they want so they can tell themselves they are pro-gun. But as long as I have to pay for the privilege of exercising rights given to me by God they are not my friends. 

[GKar]

I am computer challenged, never made any assertions otherwise, mess ticks me off when you think you have it figured out and it goes all screwy. :rant:

 

You have to admit though, I do not give up easy...

 

I meant the communications with "the Senator"...priceless!

[Guest 556or762]

Until they fully recognize the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America they can pass all the feel good B.S. they want so they can tell themselves they are pro-gun. But as long as I have to pay for the privilege of exercising rights given to me by God they are not my friends.

Just because I'm stupid I guess, was the right to keep and bear arms given to you by God or by the first continental Congress? Seems those that wrote the second amendment gave you that right not God. That's just my couple pennies worth.

[Worriedman]

Just because I'm stupid I guess, was the right to keep and bear arms given to you by God or by the first continental Congress? Seems those that wrote the second amendment gave you that right not God. That's just my couple pennies worth.

Those unalienable Rights are mine, no human or group of humans has the power to give them to or take them from me.  A far more intelligent man than me said they came from Nature or Nature's God, you pick'em. (I have my own opinion) They CAN take my life, but not my Rights.

[RobertNashville]

Just because I'm stupid I guess, was the right to keep and bear arms given to you by God or by the first continental Congress? Seems those that wrote the second amendment gave you that right not God. That's just my couple pennies worth.

Might I suggest a reading of the Federalist Papers and a little of our history...not all founders believed in God or "a" god but they did recognize that our rights as human beings are our rights which preexist government; even the government they created.

 

Your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (a phrase which embodies all rights) are the rights of all men, everywhere...the fact that 99% of the governments that exist or has ever existed on this planet refuse to recognize them doesn't change that.

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

 

Note that the purpose of government is not to grant us rights but to secure the rights we already have.  :)

[Guest 556or762]

Ok, ok, I have just never heard of an 11th commandment...."thou shalt keep and bear arms, in defense of tyranny in government" seems the arms the 2nd speaks of weren't quite ready back in those days( if those days ever happened) signed, keeping an open mind in TN

[RobertNashville]

Ok, ok, I have just never heard of an 11th commandment...."thou shalt keep and bear arms, in defense of tyranny in government" seems the arms the 2nd speaks of weren't quite ready back in those days( if those days ever happened) signed, keeping an open mind in TN

I don't know what "arms" you are talking about but the Bible clearly supports the right of people to defend themselves (with whatever "arms" are around) and, while I haven't read them all, the right to defend life is a pretty common theme in every religious text.  That same concept is clearly embodied in the second amendment.

 

Also note that the second amendment doesn't say "firearms" any more than is says "cap and ball pistols" or "muskets"...it says "arms".  If DEW, phasers or light sabers are the typical military arms of the future those are covered by the second amendment as well.

[DMark]

Well, most of these were to break up the log-jam that had been the result of Jimmy Naifeh's parliamentary tricks.

 

Don't forget that SOB was Speaker from 1991 to 2009.

 

Just think what would be going on in Nashville right now if Naifeh was still there. 

[Worriedman]

Yeah, none of them took place under Naifeh's reign.  Kent Williams as Speaker was far better for firearms issues than Beth Harwell will ever be.

However, my personal take is the scant Republican inhabitants in the House in 2009 needed us in the 2010 elections, and so voted in favor of firearms issues (along with Democrats too, don't forget). The Senator fails to mention that the Senate sponsor of the two biggest issues (guns in "bars" twice actually) was a Democrat.

 

Now that they rule the world, they do not need our pitiful little band...

Edited February 20, 2013 by Worriedman

[LagerHead]

Just because I'm stupid I guess, was the right to keep and bear arms given to you by God or by the first continental Congress? Seems those that wrote the second amendment gave you that right not God. That's just my couple pennies worth.

 

 

Ok, ok, I have just never heard of an 11th commandment...."thou shalt keep and bear arms, in defense of tyranny in government" seems the arms the 2nd speaks of weren't quite ready back in those days( if those days ever happened) signed, keeping an open mind in TN

 

The government does not give us rights. It's the other way around. The Constitution only enumerates and (supposedly) protects those rights that are ours by virtue of being human, not because of the altruistic and benevolent nature of our government. So no, the people who wrote the Constitution most certainly did not give me any rights and the dirtbags to whom our nation currently bow certainly do nothing to protect them.

[RobertNashville]

The government does not give us rights. It's the other way around. The Constitution only enumerates and (supposedly) protects those rights that are ours by virtue of being human, not because of the altruistic and benevolent nature of our government. So no, the people who wrote the Constitution most certainly did not give me any rights and the dirtbags to whom our nation currently bow certainly do nothing to protect them.

How can you be so "American" yet drink a foreign beer???  ;)

[LagerHead]

How can you be so "American" yet drink a foreign beer???  ;)

 

LOL. It's only one of my many, many favorites. The best parts of my collection are my two bottles of Samuel Adams Utopias 10th Anniversary and my bottle of 1997 Samuel Adams Triple Bock though. 

[Worriedman]

I wonder how many folks remember the traitors who voted for Naifeh in 2005?  Included in that number were Joe McCord, (current Chief Clerk of the House for Harwell) Doug Overbey (current sitting Senator) and Rep. Steve McDaniel (only surviving member of the Naifeh 7, who later joined the Naifeh 8, Republicans who voted in favor of a TN Income Tax) currently Harwell's handpicked Deputy Speaker.