Watch Magpuls response closely

[ShamGlock]

Just saw that too Chuck. I really dig their style. Time to pressure the gun manufacturers for the same consideration. 

[mikegideon]

Echo ChuckT post above

Edited February 18, 2013 by mikegideon

[Moped]

Any clue on where they will move, once this bill is passed?  I sure don't see it not passing or the Governor vetoing it, since the Democrats control the House and Senate and the Governor supported it from the get go.  It would be nice to see them here in Tennessee!

[hipower]

Latest Magpul Facebook post...

 

We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass this, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone.

 

I like, no strike that....I LOVE THESE GUYS!

[rugerla1]

Loving them more every time the make a statement!

[mikegideon]

I like, no strike that....I LOVE THESE GUYS!

 

I've always loved those guys, and have spent some pretty significant money on their products. I AM a Magpul slut.

[Guest TankerHC]

This justifies my purchase of a bunch of Pmags last month.

[TMF]

I'm ordering some Pmags for my dad now.

[ShamGlock]

Any clue on where they will move, once this bill is passed?  I sure don't see it not passing or the Governor vetoing it, since the Democrats control the House and Senate and the Governor supported it from the get go.  It would be nice to see them here in Tennessee!

I have already been sending emails to Corker about this. I have also posted on his facebook page. He does a lot I don't like, but when it comes to bringing business to Chattanooga this guy has a stellar track record. If you want to find the thread on fb let me know. It would be nice to drive as much public attention as possible to this so they have to notice or respond. Even if we don't get Magpul it would be nice to expose our elected leaders to the possibility of bringing any of these businesses here, as well as showing them how motivated we can be as a group. 

Edited February 18, 2013 by ShamGlock

[mikegideon]

I figure they'll stay close to home.

[xjsnake]

I figure they'll stay close to home.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see them go right up the road to Cheyenne Wyoming.

[Mark@Sea]

Magpul is resolved, and I salute them for it.  I'm sure they don't want to move, and equally sure they will.

I understand the injection molding isn't done in house - they use several injection molding companies in the Denver area.  Those companies will also be screaming, because with Magpul gone, they're sunk.  The Democrats would love to avoid the consequences of their votes - they know it is already very unpopular with the majority of Colorado residents; the job losses on top of that will keep this issue at the top for next year's state elections, and they know it.

  I don't know what Biden is offering the state democrats for their votes, but I don't think it will be worth it in the long run.

[Guest RevScottie]

Evidently Magpul is a privately held company. No stockholder would ever endorse the huge costs involved in moving a manufacturing company just to get some pro 2nd amendment PR. If Magpul stays put they will make more money than they would by moving. While it may be a good move image wise it simply doesn't make economic sense. The average person buying a Magpul product doesn't care where it is made as long as its a good product at a good price.

[seez52]

Evidently Magpul is a privately held company. No stockholder would ever endorse the huge costs involved in moving a manufacturing company just to get some pro 2nd amendment PR. If Magpul stays put they will make more money than they would by moving. While it may be a good move image wise it simply doesn't make economic sense. The average person buying a Magpul product doesn't care where it is made as long as its a good product at a good price.

Actually I believe the upside for them is more positive than negative even in the long term.

[Guest RevScottie]

Actually I believe the upside for them is more positive than negative even in the long term.

What would the upside be? They would have to relocate and rehire and train new employees (unless all employees moved) and most consumers would never know nor care that the move took place.

[Chucktshoes]

and most consumers would never know nor care that the move took place.

According to their own statements, both issued to the public at large and to the CO state government, they believe otherwise. They do believe that the general consumer of heir products would take their dollars elsewhere if they stayed put. I think we view their product as less of a niche product than it is because we are a part of that niche demographic. The vast majority of the population has no use for a 30 round polymer magazine for the AR platform. We do. The vast majority of the population is not paying such close attention to the actions of the companies in the firearms and accessories manufacturing business in relation to the various attacks on the 2A. We are. Magpul is making the correct business decision based not on the short term costs of moving a facility, but on the long term costs of alienating their consumer base. As an example, Smith & Wesson is not the same company now as it was prior to its 2000 memorandum of understanding with the Clinton administration. They sold us down the river and gun owners told them to stuff it. They went bankrupt and had to sell the entire company to new owners. Magpul knows that if they pull the same sort of crap, the same thing will happen to them.

[DMark]

What would the upside be?

 

A guy like me who spends in the thousands of dollars every year in the shooting sports and training quits running his USGI mags and buys PMags.

 

He buys PMags for his family members.

 

He tells all of his friends to buy PMags.

 

He recommends that all of his students buy PMags.

Edited February 18, 2013 by DMark

[Guest ThePunisher]

What would the upside be? They would have to relocate and rehire and train new employees (unless all employees moved) and most consumers would never know nor care that the move took place.

I believe you are underestimating the intelligence of gun owners, and those that love the 2nd A. I believe most people would remember this unconstitutional fight, and give Magpul their support by buying their products. I don't believe Magpul is thinking about any upside to be gained; I believe they are thinking about the 2nd A, the people that believe in the rights to bear arms, and not trampling upon the Constitution that guarantee liberties and freedoms in our country. Sometimes principles are worth a lot more than financial benefits. Without liberties and freedom, there will not be any opportunity for financial gain.

[rugerla1]

I believe you are underestimating the intelligence of gun owners, and those that love the 2nd A. I believe most people would remember this unconstitutional fight, and give Magpul their support by buying their products. I don't believe Magpul is thinking about any upside to be gained; I believe they are thinking about the 2nd A, the people that believe in the rights to bear arms, and not trampling upon the Constitution that guarantee liberties and freedoms in our country. Sometimes principles are worth a lot more than financial benefits. Without liberties and freedom, there will not be any opportunity for financial gain.

Agree 100%

[mikegideon]

Magpul is resolved, and I salute them for it.  I'm sure they don't want to move, and equally sure they will.

I understand the injection molding isn't done in house - they use several injection molding companies in the Denver area.  Those companies will also be screaming, because with Magpul gone, they're sunk.  The Democrats would love to avoid the consequences of their votes - they know it is already very unpopular with the majority of Colorado residents; the job losses on top of that will keep this issue at the top for next year's state elections, and they know it.

  I don't know what Biden is offering the state democrats for their votes, but I don't think it will be worth it in the long run.

 

Yep. The Dems are shooting themselves in the foot. I suspect they're using high capacity magazines :)

[mikegideon]

Evidently Magpul is a privately held company. No stockholder would ever endorse the huge costs involved in moving a manufacturing company just to get some pro 2nd amendment PR. If Magpul stays put they will make more money than they would by moving. While it may be a good move image wise it simply doesn't make economic sense. The average person buying a Magpul product doesn't care where it is made as long as its a good product at a good price.

 

You apparently don't understand Magpul. My guess is that they have stockholders. Their customers will support them if they leave, and won't if they stay. I'm speaking as one of their customers.

[Oh Shoot]

You apparently don't understand Magpul. My guess is that they have stockholders. ...

 

No, owned by the founder, Richard Fitzpatrick, not publicly traded.

 

 OS

[mikegideon]

No, owned by the founder, Richard Fitzpatrick, not publicly traded.

 

 OS

 

Private companies almost always have stockholders. Learned that from those guys. They just don't have to tell you.

[TMF]

Evidently Magpul is a privately held company. No stockholder would ever endorse the huge costs involved in moving a manufacturing company just to get some pro 2nd amendment PR. If Magpul stays put they will make more money than they would by moving. While it may be a good move image wise it simply doesn't make economic sense. The average person buying a Magpul product doesn't care where it is made as long as its a good product at a good price.

 

You're making the assumption they are doing this for PR.  The best PR they've ever done is create a product that every AR owner in America, every LEO who has a duty rifle, every Marine/Air Force, Army and Navy servicemember wants in their weapon; the Pmag. 

 

I don't think they need to worry about PR.  This is about something bigger.  If this law is passed then customers in their own state of operation will be cut off.  No, this probably won't affect their sales significantly, but what does that say about them if they continue to operate in an environment which bans the sale of their product, yet profits from that very product.  This one business pumps millions into an economy with elected officials who are trying to snuff them out.  Why wait around for that to happen.  Why not move to an economy where the state is supportive of their business, and representatives from that very state will go to Washington DC and fight for their right to continue to exist. 

 

You give these guys little credit with your assumptions.  This isn't about image, this is about rights.

[Guest TankerHC]

I have also been following this on their FB Promotional Page and their customers are making it very clear, take the bone they threw you and you no longer get our business, support the 2A and you do. Its pretty simple, 2A supporters and Gun Owners are hardA______s. This isnt about the gun or the mag's or anything other than Constitutional Rights. Support those trying to take them and in violation of the Constitution and 2A supporters wont support you.

 

Fitzpatrick is making it pretty clear on his updates, he supports the Constitution, the 2A and US Citizens rights, plus, if he accepts the bone they threw him, he will lose a lot of customers. There are people from Colorado on there (And other places) asking him not to stay.

 

With Magpul its about the design and patents, there are injection molding companies in every state that can handle the job and would be more than willing to grow to make a few extra million every year.

 

There is no way he will make more money by staying, you cant make money if no one will buy your product. But with his probable actions, Fitzpatrick has gained a lot more customers and has re-enforced the positive opinions of his current customer base. He is going to make A LOT more money by moving than staying.