TN Bill to remove restrictions on knife possession and carry

[Capbyrd]

Don't these retards realize that there are a gazillion legal knives that deploy as fast as a switchblade? I have a bunch.

 

 

I'm glad you brought this up.  I posted a video to instagram about it a while back.  I used the iPhone's slow motion to make this and since it won't upload direct to IG, its a bit grainy but you can definitely get the full view.  


http://instagram.com/p/hPgNThQSZj/

 

The knife on the right is my Laconico Blast flipper.  A non assisted blade.  The knife on the left is a Protech Rockeye Auto.  You can clearly see that they are nearly the same speed.  The biggest difference, is that the auto requires two hands to close.  

[Capbyrd]

I can't tell you how happy I am to see the residents in a state where I am working to repeal bad knife laws so interested and engaged in the process. As Knife Rights lobbyist I have repealed switchblade bans in six states in the past 3 years, and enacted knife preemption in 12 states. Most of the time there is very little support from the ground and I am literally facing these wolves alone. 

 

Having said that lets keep some things in perspective here. One senator being opposed is no reason to gut a bill of any major component. This bill passed the senate last year and I am optimistic it will again. I say "optimistic" because "confident" when talking about ANY legislative body is a fools errand. 

 

This bill is FAR from dying and needs your support. We have no intention of splitting these issues, we intend to get both the SWB repeal and repeal the ban on knives over 4". Truthfully even discussion of splitting the issues is nothing more than a distraction. 

 

I always explain to my clients that passing new legislation (or repealing bad law) is ALWAYS a roller coaster ride. You have very, very good days and very, very BAD days, often back to back. There are rarely any ho-hum days. 

 

So I truly welcome your interest and passion about this issue and I pray you will remain engaged in this process which is not quite halfway over with yet. Steel yourselves for the ride to come, and keep those emails and phone calls flowing in the legislators offices. There is nothing like YOUR involvement to keep a bill moving in the right direction. 

 

Welcome to the legislative roller coaster, keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times, and buckle up!!

 

Todd Rathner

Knife Rights, Director of Legislative Affairs

 

 

If I could just take off work and travel willy nilly, I'd be in Nashville every day fighting for this bill.  This is something that I feel very strongly about.  So I do as much as I can in emailing and calling my representatives and informing my peers. 

[Guest gunlobbyist]

If I could just take off work and travel willy nilly, I'd be in Nashville every day fighting for this bill.  This is something that I feel very strongly about.  So I do as much as I can in emailing and calling my representatives and informing my peers. 

 

Capbyrd we need more like you!

[mikegideon]

My response to Sen. Ketron-- I hope I didn't go over the top. I Just tried to get a clarification on his objections:

 

"Mr. Adcock:

 

Thanks to both Sen. Ketron and yourself for your personal response.
Perhaps I am missing something here, but I fail to see how the simple cosmetics of a knife would affect whether or not it would/could be used in a crime. The concern appears to be over the difference between an automatic knife designed for hunting purposes, and the classic Italian-style "stilletto". Currently, there are many, many legal knives which by design can be deployed as fast as the classic "switchblade". They are no more or less prone to be used in the commission of a crime. Given the logic offered in your response, my question would then be, does Sen. Ketron feel the same way about pistols vs. revolvers? That is to say, a 38 special revolver= "OK" but a Glock= "evil'? Both are perfectly legal, both accomplish the same purpose, but their appearance is very different. The simple fact is that the current bill actually imposes a stiffer penalty for use of an automatic knife in a crime than does the current law. Has this not been taken into consideration?

I'm just trying to understand whether Sen. Ketron's position is dictated by logic, emotion, or political hubris in an election cycle. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way-- but I do understand that legislative positions and votes can be and are sometimes affected by political climate and current party leadership, regardless of constituency position.

I have supported Sen. Ketron at the ballot box in the past, and would like to continue to do so. It is my hope that Sen. Ketron will re-evaluate his current position on SB1771 and re-consider supporting this bill in its current form.

Again, thank you for your time and your response. It is VERY greatly appreciated."

 

 

 

I doubt that anything will change. But no response on my behalf would indicate that I was satisfied with his position.

 

I'm no political genius, but think your response is perfect.

[mikegideon]

I'm glad you brought this up.  I posted a video to instagram about it a while back.  I used the iPhone's slow motion to make this and since it won't upload direct to IG, its a bit grainy but you can definitely get the full view.  


http://instagram.com/p/hPgNThQSZj/

 

The knife on the right is my Laconico Blast flipper.  A non assisted blade.  The knife on the left is a Protech Rockeye Auto.  You can clearly see that they are nearly the same speed.  The biggest difference, is that the auto requires two hands to close.  

 

Right. Like I told Willis last week when we were at the range, my interest in an auto is easy CLOSING. All my carry knives have fast deployment.

[mikegideon]

Capbyrd we need more like you!

 

You should see him when he's really pissed off :)

[TMF]

Don't these retards realize that there are a gazillion legal knives that deploy as fast as a switchblade? I have a bunch.

Apparently I've been carrying illegal knives in Tennessee for years. I guess the legislation won't change that. F*** whitey!


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[tartanphantom]

Apparently I've been carrying illegal knives in Tennessee for years. I guess the legislation won't change that. F*** whitey!


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Thanks for injecting a little levity into the situation. :biglol:

[Guest confidence]

Just sent emails to my legislators...Thanks for everything Knife Rights and others are doing to try and make this happen!

[Capbyrd]

House bill has been scheduled for 2/26.  That is next Wednesday.  

 

 

Placed on cal. Criminal Justice Committee for 2/26/2014

[Guest tangojuliet]

I'm glad you brought this up.  I posted a video to instagram about it a while back.  I used the iPhone's slow motion to make this and since it won't upload direct to IG, its a bit grainy but you can definitely get the full view.  


http://instagram.com/p/hPgNThQSZj/

 

The knife on the right is my Laconico Blast flipper.  A non assisted blade.  The knife on the left is a Protech Rockeye Auto.  You can clearly see that they are nearly the same speed.  The biggest difference, is that the auto requires two hands to close.  

you dont mind if i borrow this video and share with my officals do you :)

[Guest gunlobbyist]

Guys I would like you to think about the "law of unintended consequences" when sending videos to legislators. It's one thing to send a comparison video to a knife friendly legislator, it is entirely another to send it to one who is not knife friendly. Sending a video of just how fast our flippers and assisted openers are could have the opposite effect we want. I have seen this in other states where our opponents take videos or photos designed to educate legislators to our side who then use that same video to call for bans on flippers and assisted openers. Please remember that many legislators do not think the way we do, or don't think at all! Please be very judicious and cautious when communicating with these guys. 

 

In reality the best thing you can do is ask them to support the bills by bill number, as opposed to trying to make a case with a video that could actually cause us harm. 

 

We are so grateful for your participation but please consider what I am saying before you send videos to legislators.

 

Todd Rathner

Knife Rights, Director of Legislative Affiars

[mikegideon]

Guys I would like you to think about the "law of unintended consequences" when sending videos to legislators. It's one thing to send a comparison video to a knife friendly legislator, it is entirely another to send it to one who is not knife friendly. Sending a video of just how fast our flippers and assisted openers are could have the opposite effect we want. I have seen this in other states where our opponents take videos or photos designed to educate legislators to our side who then use that same video to call for bans on flippers and assisted openers. Please remember that many legislators do not think the way we do, or don't think at all! Please be very judicious and cautious when communicating with these guys. 

 

In reality the best thing you can do is ask them to support the bills by bill number, as opposed to trying to make a case with a video that could actually cause us harm. 

 

We are so grateful for your participation but please consider what I am saying before you send videos to legislators.

 

Todd Rathner

Knife Rights, Director of Legislative Affiars

 

I'm glad you said that. I was thinking the same thing.

[Capbyrd]

I was gonna say the same thing.

For the record, I could do the same video with a standard thumb stud opener.

[Guest gunlobbyist]

I was gonna say the same thing.

For the record, I could do the same video with a standard thumb stud opener.

 

Unless you used something like a converted Buck 110 SWB to show that it is no more nefarious looking the video could have the unintended consequences I worry about. 

[mikegideon]

I need 2 hands and some spit to open my 110

[Capbyrd]

Unless you used something like a converted Buck 110 SWB to show that it is no more nefarious looking the video could have the unintended consequences I worry about.

I think a buck is scarier looking than a kershae crown. But I understand your point. It's why I only share that video with my friends.

[Guest gunlobbyist]

I think a buck is scarier looking than a kershae crown. But I understand your point. It's why I only share that video with my friends.

Yes it may be. But the Buck is iconic and many legislators have owned them so I used it as an example in this case. But I know you get my point!

[Guest tangojuliet]

ah i see so how can you educate a them if ya cant show em ....

[Capbyrd]

I was right the first time.  It will move to the full Criminal Justice Committee in the house.  


Senate bill has still not been placed on calendar.  

 

 

2/26/2014 

 

Criminal Justice Committee will meet at 10:30.   If you care to follow along, you can view at the link below.  

 

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/videowrapper/default.aspx?CommID=870000

[dcloudy777]

Just a question, mainly for the Knife Rights folks:

 

Have there been any studies done on the frequency of types of knives being used in crimes?  I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of knife crimes are done with kitchen knives or box cutter/utility type razor knives.  It absolutely wouldn't surprise me if there hadn't been a dozen crimes committed with automatic knives in the last 20 years.

[Guest tangojuliet]

Just a question, mainly for the Knife Rights folks:

 

Have there been any studies done on the frequency of types of knives being used in crimes?  I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of knife crimes are done with kitchen knives or box cutter/utility type razor knives.  It absolutely wouldn't surprise me if there hadn't been a dozen crimes committed with automatic knives in the last 20 years.

^^^^^^ THIS 

[Capbyrd]

Just a question, mainly for the Knife Rights folks:

 

Have there been any studies done on the frequency of types of knives being used in crimes?  I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of knife crimes are done with kitchen knives or box cutter/utility type razor knives.  It absolutely wouldn't surprise me if there hadn't been a dozen crimes committed with automatic knives in the last 20 years.

 

 

The state has done research about it for the fiscal note.  The frequency of convictions for knife crimes is so small, that they are basing their note off of one conviction every ten years.  

 

This isn't a perfect example though as this doesn't cover people who had the lesser charges dropped or anything like that. 

[Guest DCritter]

Just a question, mainly for the Knife Rights folks:

 

Have there been any studies done on the frequency of types of knives being used in crimes?  I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of knife crimes are done with kitchen knives or box cutter/utility type razor knives.  It absolutely wouldn't surprise me if there hadn't been a dozen crimes committed with automatic knives in the last 20 years.

 

No such statistics exist.  We know from many, many discussions with law enforcement that the vast majority of  violence committed with knife occur with kitchen knives, and not always inside the home. A number of highly publicized attacks involving knives in public have been with kitchen knives.  Unfortunately, it would take a good deal of money and effort to compile any meaningful review of such attacks in order to generate useable stats. Existing statistics, which are incomplete at best, do not differentiate between kitchen knives and all others.

[hso]

the length part of the bill will more likely pass im not saying give up entirely give up on the switchblade but let it wait til next year sometimes patience is the key to victory ...

 

 

Why give up until we have to?  The bill would had passed intact, preemption, switchblade, and length, in the Senate and would have passed last year in the House if it hadn't been subverted right before getting to the floor of the House.  That last hurdle where the Sheriff's association stabbed it in the back caused it to have switchblade and length provisions removed to pass preemption.  This year the Sheriff's association has participated in crafting the language of the proposed legislation and won't impede it.  So why quit before any serious opposition has been mounted?  Why cave before pushed?