Knoxville Police Looking at New Pistols

[Patton]

Don't get me wrong. The Sig 220 is a great gun and one day I hope to own one. They shoot great, better than other Sigs and definetly better than any 1911 I have ever shot. This was cheaper than giving a raise, cheaper than hiring new officers because they are board and have nothing to look forward to. I guarantee you all the gripes about "crap" within the department and city have been silenced for a while.
I bet most of the guys on here have been through half a dozen carry guns in the last 4 years.
Do I agree with their choice? No, because I think the G22 is a better police duty weapon as long as the officer has trigger discipline. Higher capacity along with the .40s&w slightly better penetration of body armor add to the economical value of Glocks and 40 ammo.

[TnShooter83]

Anyone have an idea on how many sidearms you need per officer in general to cover maintenance and other things? Is it 10% extra?


Just curious in general, Mark

 

I know that THP issues a G31 and a G33 to it's officers. G31 is primary duty and G33 is back-up and off duty. 

They also issue a Bushmaster in 5.56/223 and if I recall correctly they did have or still do issue a Remington 870 as well.

I don't know if they are all issued this many firearms, but  that makes 4 firearms per officer for the THP. 

 

I'd say that seems reasonable enough, as there are thing a rifle can do a shot gun can not.

The same can be said for the shot gun. As for the pistols, I can see the need for 2 if one were to fail.

And it's even better when the the primary and back up use most of the same parts. As most all Glocks do in the same caliber.  

 

I think the main reason they gave to the news show I watched was that Glock recommended replacement every 4 years where Sig was every 10 years.

Also they claimed the .45 would deliver more power over the current .40 they are using.

 

Either way I honestly don't care what they picked as long as it works and there was reasonable need for new firearms. 

[Patton]

The reason for the 4 year replacement has to do with CALEA. I know for a fact Glocks can only be 4years old under the rule. Being certified is a huge deal for departments. It means a lot for the careers of every officer and city. It also means they get a huge insurance savings. Someone brought up a good point that maybe Sigs have a life span of 10yrs. This may mean that CALEA recognizes Sigs Good for 10yrs also.
http://www.calea.org/

[Guest 270win]

Are the Reisings and Thompsons able to be sold to private individuals with a tax stamp?  It will be nice if those guns are not post 86 machine guns.

[Guest MiniGunGal]

Are the Reisings and Thompsons able to be sold to private individuals with a tax stamp?  It will be nice if those guns are not post 86 machine guns.

 

I know for a fact that the Reisings and Thompsons will not be sold to private individuals without a tax stamp. They will not be sold, unless they are transferred to another dealer.  Fortunately for the lucky dealer receiving the order for the new weapons, and receiving all of the trade-in weapons - they (the Reisings and Thompsons, etc) become the property of the owner.  Most likely to be added to the FFL's  personal collection.

 

 

 

I know that THP issues a G31 and a G33 to it's officers. G31 is primary duty and G33 is back-up and off duty. 

They also issue a Bushmaster in 5.56/223 and if I recall correctly they did have or still do issue a Remington 870 as well.

I don't know if they are all issued this many firearms, but  that makes 4 firearms per officer for the THP. 

 

Additionally, I don't know if it has changed in the past 7-8 years, but when THP switched to the Glock 31 with the .357 sig round in late '04, I participated in the program.  

 

Part of the incentive for the Officers - KCSO, KPD, THP, etc. when switching weapons is the "reasonable' buy-back opportunity of their previous service weapon.  That's general knowledge - and of course, for personal weapons, as everyone knows, the PERSONAL weapons much be purchased with uniform allowance or personal funds.  So yes, it is an incentive for the officers.

 

Back to THP - As I said - I was involved in the evaluation process and the switch from the .40 to the .357 sig for THP.  When we were issuing the weapons to the officers, AS I REMEMBER, and I could be wrong.... I have killed a few brain cells since then... they (THP Officers ) were not furnished with a back-up weapon.  They were furnished with the G-31, and they were responsible for picking up their own G-33 backup.  

 

Not long after that it was either KCSO or KPD that followed suit to keep everything in line with caliber, etc., and they liked the ballistics testing as well.  Again - I could be WAY wrong on this, but I was there writing the reports, and shipping out the weapons, and participating in the sales, so I'm pretty familiar with the transition....  If someone involved can refresh my aging memory - please do....  

 

And if anyone teases me about getting older and my memory fading into useless dust after my B-day Saturday, I'll be really sad!   :cry:

[Patton]

When THP switched to Gen 4 G31's about a year ago they could buy the Gen3's for about $400 not really a huge savings verses a blue label for $431 OTD.
KPD and KCSO, until this year, have been using G22's for about a decade.

[Duck]

I have had family members with both the city and the county. They have had Glock 40's since I was a kid.

[Guest 270win]

Are the Sigs the DAK or DA/SA guns with the decocker?

 

 

Do you guys think the Thompsons and REisings will be able to be sold to the public after the dealer gets them?

[Guest sL1k]

I have had family members with both the city and the county. They have had Glock 40's since I was a kid.

after reading this I realized that my glock 19 will be 18 years old in April and still looks amazing. I may buy it some more ammo on its birthday :D

[hipower]

after reading this I realized that my glock 19 will be 18 years old in April and still looks amazing. I may buy it some more ammo on its birthday :D

 

Good luck finding her some!

[Mike.357]

What are they going to do with their old "worn out" Glocks?

 

sell them FTF at the gunshow