The real cause of mass shootings

[KaNuckles]

Very very interesting link. 

 

http://ssristories.com/index.php

[Guest CigarGuy]

Doesn't fit the narrative, sadly.  Or, I guess, I should say, the agenda?

[KaNuckles]

Yeah. I was just about to add the gov't will never even acknowledge anything like this. much less investigate it. There would be no reason to take away guns if they found out psych drugs were the problem. 

[johnboy]

Yep they wont ban the anti-depresants.

[MississippiBoy]

Really. I don't know what to say. The first one was for prozac withdrawal. Said he had stopped it WEEKS ago. For one Prozac has limited withdrawal potential and second withdrawal effects wouldn't last for weeks.

I work in mental health and see people daily on SSRIs. Don't demonize medication to fit an agenda. We don't want guns treated that way.

No I did not read all of them, but figured that was the gist of the site. Edited January 16, 2013 by MississippiBoy

[LI0NSFAN]

My step dad and my sister both have been on meds for depression and if my mom was not a nurse and noticed some early warning signs they might have gotten violent toward me or my mom. They both started showing signs of aggression shortly after starting the medication. They both said the meds put them in a fog, they knew that they were acting different but had no control of it. They said it was liking watching a movie, you knew it was night right but you could not do anything to stop it. I think we need to take a STRONG look at medications for depression. I think a trial period with weekly DR visits to make sure the meds are not having undesired results would be a good idea. We should also treat all Medications like we treat hardcore narcotics. As you can probably guess I a do not like medicines and thank that the world would be better off with less dependency on medicine. I do understand that meds help a lot of people and they can do some great things but I think there is some cases that meds are just used as an easy out.

Edited January 16, 2013 by STAHDKnoxville

[10-Ring]

I was once diagnosed with depression and prescribed Prozac.  I hated it, it turned me into a person who I was not.  It made me say and do crazy things.  I think that the relationship between these shootings and drugs are something that needs to be looked into.  Just as I'm sure of in my own case there are too many doctors out there that are too loose with the prescription pad, they get too many incentives from the pharmaceutical companies for prescribing their drugs.  These are the same pharmaceutical companies that let the media reach deep into their pockets so that they insure that information like this will never be released to the ABC, NBC, CBS, and probably FOX viewing public.  BTW after about 6 months I got off of Prozac and have not taken an anti depressant in over 10 years.  Pretty sure I wasn't depressed in the first place, just a case of a doctor getting a kickback.

[Punisher84]

Meds have their place and I know people they have helped greatly. The issue I have is doctors slapping people on these drugs and then letting them go with no oversight. If you're putting someone on a drug that you know alters their mindset and can have violent side effects, someone needs to be on the lookout for warning signs. Whether that's weekly checks with a doc, family members, I don't know. But that's the difference between me and the anti-gun people. I'm not saying ban SSRIs or talking out of my ass about something I don't understand.

Edited January 16, 2013 by Punisher84

[KaNuckles]

I'm

 

Really. I don't know what to say. The first one was for prozac withdrawal. Said he had stopped it WEEKS ago. For one Prozac has limited withdrawal potential and second withdrawal effects wouldn't last for weeks.

I work in mental health and see people daily on SSRIs. Don't demonize medication to fit an agenda. We don't want guns treated that way.

No I did not read all of them, but figured that was the gist of the site.

 

I'm not demonizing. But this is interesting. I can tell you from experience Zoloft withdrawal lasts weeks. Nobody ever said meds don't have their place. Maybe the gist of the site is to show that there are some unknown side effects and not to demonize. 

[KaNuckles]

Zoloft made me very angry. Especially at first. I mellowed out some but I never felt right. When I came off (by my own decision) I had these scary spells. . Went to a different doctor. Gave him the same list of symptoms. Did some tests and found out I have sleep apnea. The spells were Zoloft withdrawal and lasted about 5 weeks. I think the other doctor just put me on antidepressants and beta blockers for kickbacks. He treated the symptoms, not the problem.  

[Guest uofmeet]

"Gun Free" Zones?

[MississippiBoy]

Your reports are why Best Practice Guidelines (BPG) state that therapy is the recommended first treatment for depression. A knowledgeable therapist would have recognized the difference between depression and a general medical disorder.

Also how many of you saw a General Practitioner versus a Psychiatrist? That is a large issue I see daily is misdiagnosis by a GP. I schedule 16 intake assessments a week and provide initial diagnosis based on reported symptoms but over therapy sessions can normally identify when a diagnosis is warranted.

[KaNuckles]

Your reports are why Best Practice Guidelines (BPG) state that therapy is the recommended first treatment for depression. A knowledgeable therapist would have recognized the difference between depression and a general medical disorder.

Also how many of you saw a General Practitioner versus a Psychiatrist? That is a large issue I see daily is misdiagnosis by a GP. I schedule 16 intake assessments a week and provide initial diagnosis based on reported symptoms but over therapy sessions can normally identify when a diagnosis is warranted.

I didn't go because i felt depressed. Why would I seek out psychiatric help if I don't feel depressed? A GP should have recognized the difference. Maybe putting people on these drugs who don't need them is dangerous. Maybe the drugs are dangerous whether needed or not. It needs to be looked into. 

[MississippiBoy]

I didn't go because i felt depressed. Why would I seek out psychiatric help if I don't feel depressed? A GP should have recognized the difference. Maybe putting people on these drugs who don't need them is dangerous. Maybe the drugs are dangerous whether needed or not. It needs to be looked into.

I agree with you...
I hope you found a different MD. Anytime a GP prescribes something that falls under a specialists care it is recommended under BPG that you follow up with a specialist in that field. And that GP should have discussed that with you.

One if the most fatal overdose drugs is Tylenol PM. Every medicine has side effects, you have to weigh them versus the benefits, but there are no benefits if it is not needed.

Please understand that I agree, some meds are over prescribed. I just believe that we are responsible for our own health and well being, just like I believe that we are responsible for our own protection. If I was prescribed something by a GP for a heart issue I would schedule an appointment with a cardiologist. And when diagnosed with Patellar Tendonitis I scheduled an appointment with an orthopedic MD to verify. Edited January 16, 2013 by MississippiBoy

[KaNuckles]

I agree with you...
I hope you found a different MD. Anytime a GP prescribes something that falls under a specialists care it is recommended under BPG that you follow up with a specialist in that field. And that GP should have discussed that with you.

One if the most fatal overdose drugs is Tylenol PM. Every medicine has side effects, you have to weigh them versus the benefits, but there are no benefits if it is not needed.

Please understand that I agree, some meds are over prescribed. I just believe that we are responsible for our own health and well being, just like I believe that we are responsible for our own protection. If I was prescribed something by a GP for a heart issue I would schedule an appointment with a cardiologist. And when diagnosed with Patellar Tendonitis I scheduled an appointment with an orthopedic MD to verify.

I'm not trying to be argumentative with you. i apologize if I come across that way. Our conversation has brought up a point that I wasn't seeing before I posted this. That is doctors may need to be better educated on these issues. I was given Zoloft because my "sleep pattern was not normal." I was given heart medication for palpitations. No real investigation into the cause. That is why I found another doctor who did the right thing and investigated the cause and referred me to where i needed to go. Maybe if it were mandatory if a doctor prescribes some sort of psych drug that he refer you to a psychiatrist. Maybe that would make them think twice before prescribing them to treat other symptoms like in my case. 

[LI0NSFAN]

I'm not trying to be argumentative with you. i apologize if I come across that way. Our conversation has brought up a point that I wasn't seeing before I posted this. That is doctors may need to be better educated on these issues. I was given Zoloft because my "sleep pattern was not normal." I was given heart medication for palpitations. No real investigation into the cause. That is why I found another doctor who did the right thing and investigated the cause and referred me to where i needed to go. Maybe if it were mandatory if a doctor prescribes some sort of psych drug that he refer you to a psychiatrist. Maybe that would make them think twice before prescribing them to treat other symptoms like in my case. 

+1 that is how it should have always been.

[mcurrier]

[Dennis1209]

My step dad and my sister both have been on meds for depression and if my mom was not a nurse and noticed some early warning signs they might have gotten violent toward me or my mom. They both started showing signs of aggression shortly after starting the medication. They both said the meds put them in a fog, they knew that they were acting different but had no control of it. They said it was liking watching a movie, you knew it was night right but you could not do anything to stop it. I think we need to take a STRONG look at medications for depression. I think a trial period with weekly DR visits to make sure the meds are not having undesired results would be a good idea. We should also treat all Medications like we treat hardcore narcotics. As you can probably guess I a do not like medicines and thank that the world would be better off with less dependency on medicine. I do understand that meds help a lot of people and they can do some great things but I think there is some cases that meds are just used as an easy out.

 

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head and I agree with your opinion. My father had a mental illness which I swore I'd never accept. Mental illness has always been with us throughout history.

 

IMO, mental illness is much more pronounced and prevalent than several decades ago and beyond. That seems to be a fact from the percentage of incarcerated convicts in our prisons with some sort of mental defect, the boom of the mental health profession and associated multi-billion dollar drug industry and my recollection of days gone by. The casual observer might argue all the violence and filth produced by Hollyweird, violent video games our children play, violent / rap music, the one parent family, etc. Being a non-scientific observer, I would absolutely agree the preceding are major factors. However...

 

What's the common denominator of my examples? Peoples changing liberal standards and a reflection of law(s) allowing it to progress, IMHO. Putting MA warnings on movies, music or games is an enticement not a warning to many children.

 

How we have changed as a moral society of your forefathers! I remember in the 1960's and the FCC standards of decency. I remember when Ed Sullivan would not show Elvis Presley below the waist. If you broadcast even one profane word on radio or TV, it could be your license. Violence and F bombs are as common today as milk and eggs at Wally World.

 

Got carried away, sorry...

 

Here's my observation. Like anything else, it takes money to provide a socialistic service to the public. Governments have no money, they take money from productive citizens in the form of taxes to pay for their services and programs.

 

As the average Joe Blow blue collar worker trying to provide for his family, do I want to volunteer to pay more taxes to support the mental health industry, in the hopes of a socialist solution? Do we want the government to administer anymore programs? Name me just ONE red tape program the government has efficiently and successfully ran?

 

I don't pretend to know the solutions but, a government run anything is a bad idea.