Second Amendment: Do Militias Matter Today?

[mcurrier]

Second Amendment: Do Militias Matter Today?

 

http://clashdaily.com/2013/01/second-amendment-do-militias-matter-today/

[DWARREN123]

It shall always matter as long as people wish to remain free!

[mcurrier]

A tocuhy subject that many apparently don't wish their names attached to I guess.

[Jonnin]

before you can discuss it you have to define it.   Some define the militia as THE PEOPLE.  Some define it as a group of paramilitary tin foil hats in the woods.  Some define it as an obsolete state's military. 

 

The 2nd clearly says THE PEOPLE in the same way the others do.  This is key to understanding it. 

 

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is a complete phrase.  The RIGHT of THE PEOPLE.  That is all you need to know.

 

Its identical to the first:

 

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...

Edited January 13, 2013 by Jonnin

[Guest 6.8 AR]

They always matter until the liberals demonize the word. I don't equate militias to what a liberal does and I really don't care.

[m16ty]

I have my doubts that many american communities would band together like the "Six Nations" did. I could be wrong.

[gregintenn]

From what I can gather, "the militia" is every able bodied male citizen in the United States. I will go a bit further than most, and state that it is my belief that it is one's civic duty to own and be proficient with a firearm.

 

This is as revelent today as it has ever been. This is evident in the fear shown by politicians toward law abiding gun owners.

[Jonnin]

From what I can gather, "the militia" is every able bodied male citizen in the United States. I will go a bit further than most, and state that it is my belief that it is one's civic duty to own and be proficient with a firearm.

 

This is as revelent today as it has ever been. This is evident in the fear shown by politicians toward law abiding gun owners.

The milita includes the disabled, who can and often do fire a gun and who would gladly fight for their country.  It includes women who are just as willing to fight for freedom.  It has nothing to do with men.  Even children, if things are bad enough, can fight and fight well, and DO so in many countries.   
 

Woe be it to the one that come's for my wife's AR or pistol.

[DaveTN]

The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled the 2^nd amendment is an individual right as far as ownership. You make whatever arguments you like about whether a private citizen is part of a well-regulated Militia. But another thing the 2^nd amendment does is keeps the government from disarming Police Departments or state militias. The next thing they are going to want to do is have unarmed cops like England. The 2^nd would clearly stop that even if the state agreed with it.

[TMF]

I love the idea of a militia. I would gladly join one if there was one that existed which wasn't populated by white supremacists and anti-gov whackos.

[Guest RonM0710]

Check out :  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 when American Vets took on a corupt government in Athens, TN back in 1946.

[Will Carry]

Yes. We have to right to form militias if we ever need to. So far we have not.  Tennessee is known to form a militia every no and again! Your welcome TEXAS!

[Moped]

Maybe we need to start forming militias again.  You know where we all show up on Saturday mornings and parade around and march and train.  Not the white supremacy  or Nazi party stuff.  More like what our founding fathers used to do, back in 1776.  Could you imagine every county seat having a militia company marching around the square or around the courthouse on a given Saturday.  That would be a true militia then! What would be even better is if the county and the state actually started using them for emergency purposes.

[mcurrier]

[quote name="Moped" post="884059" timestamp="1358120089"]Maybe we need to start forming militias again.  You know where we all show up on Saturday mornings and parade around and march and train.  Not the white supremacy  or Nazi party stuff.  More like what our founding fathers used to do, back in 1776.  Could you imagine every county seat having a militia company marching around the square or around the courthouse on a given Saturday.  That would be a true militia then! What would be even better is if the county and the state actually started using them for emergency purposes.[/quote]Watching THE FIGHTING KENTUCKIAN on Netflix and the movie starts off just like you described!

[JayC]

I'd say that the 10th amendment further restricts both the federal and state governments from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.  

 

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

Since the 2nd Amendment is a right 'to the people' that right is reserved from both the States, and the federal government IMHO.

 

But then again the only Amendment SCOTUS ignores more than the 2nd, is the 10th.

 

before you can discuss it you have to define it.   Some define the militia as THE PEOPLE.  Some define it as a group of paramilitary tin foil hats in the woods.  Some define it as an obsolete state's military. 

 

The 2nd clearly says THE PEOPLE in the same way the others do.  This is key to understanding it. 

 

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is a complete phrase.  The RIGHT of THE PEOPLE.  That is all you need to know.

 

Its identical to the first:

 

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...

 

 

[Jonnin]

I love the idea of a militia. I would gladly join one if there was one that existed which wasn't populated by white supremacists and anti-gov whackos.

 

If this keeps up, we could band together to ask the TN govt to form up a state sponsored one...

[JayC]

If this keeps up, we could band together to ask the TN govt to form up a state sponsored one...

 

The legislature appears to have already given us the tools to do just that.

[TMF]

[quote name="Jonnin" post="884728" timestamp="1358186202"]If this keeps up, we could band together to ask the TN govt to form up a state sponsored one...[/quote] I would likely join one if we had one similar to Georgia's.

[Guest carter]

Regulated

Verb

1. Control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.
2. Control or supervise (something, esp. a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

 

to me this would mean having adequate weaponry, and the means to obtain them, I think the government over stepped the 2nd amendment with the NFA act of 1934...then amended that act again to include more firearms so the only people that are adequately armed is the government... they literally took away tools that where available to us to even have a decent well armed militia 

[QuietDan]

Be the Man your County Sheriff would call upon for posse comitatus in a crisis.

 

Be the Man your State Governor would call upon for militia service in a crisis.

 

Don't forget that Tennessee is called The Volunteer State for a reason.

 

When The Call has come, We have answered it.

[DMark]

Regulated

Verb

1. Control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.

 

That is how the verb is used in the 2 Amendment.

 

Well Regulated as in "Well Drilled" and "Well Trained" with the skill to operate firearms.  You can't defend a free state if you can't perform the manual of drills.  

 

The anti's see the word and get that "Thrill going up their legs" because they see another reason for a Federal agency to write more Regulations.

[Guest carter]

I think the NFA act needs to be abolished... it's doing nothing but unnecessary taxation, $200 for a SBR but only $5 for a SBS ? how does that make since... how much more lethal is a short barrel rifle... does the SBS not have the cool factor a SBR does is that why they charge more?

 

Alcohol Tobacco Firearms Explosives? wander who decided to put those 4 together for a federal agency...

 

was it 1986 when they decided to add SBR to the list?... oh no we can carry a 500 S&W magnum but not a rifle BUT we can make that same rifle into a pistol and carry it... WTF! makes no since what so ever... 

[Oh Shoot]

I think the NFA act needs to be abolished... it's doing nothing but unnecessary taxation, $200 for a SBR but only $5 for a SBS ?

 

$200 to make a SBS or other AOW, just to be clear, same as SBR.  I agree the $5 to transfer is odd since it's the same 2 bills to transfer SBR. Never have known the reasoning on that.

 

was it 1986 when they decided to add SBR to the list?

 

Both SBR and SBS were set at  <18" in 1934 by the National Firearms Act. Amended for rimfire rifles to be <16" at some point not long afterwards, amended in 1960 to be same for centerfire rifles.

 

- OS

[eapking]

Some places in Europe (go figure) you can buy a suppressor in hardware stores.

[mcurrier]

Some places in Europe (go figure) you can buy a suppressor in hardware stores.

 

Good to know.  I need to get one for my latest acquisition -