Biden: Executive orders, action can be taken on guns

[QuietDan]

Biden: Executive orders, action can be taken on guns

 

By David Sherfinski

 

The Washington Times

Vice President Joseph R. Biden vowed action on gun control from President Obama on Wednesday and floated the idea that Mr. Obama could use executive action to do so.

 

"The president is going to act," Mr. Biden said, speaking briefly before a meeting with gun safety and gun victims' groups Wednesday. "There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help [of] the attorney general and all the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action we believe is required."

 

Mr. Biden has been tapped by Mr. Obama tapped to head a task force on gun violence, which is scheduled to deliver recommendations to the president by the end of the month.

 

"We are vitally interested in what you have to say," Mr. Biden told the group. "And as the president said, if our actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of Americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

 

"I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the notion, 'unless we can do everything, we're going to do nothing,'" Mr. Biden continued. "It's critically important we act."

 

Per to a White House official, representatives from the groups listed below were at the meeting, according to a pool report. Attorney General Eric Holder also attended.

Gun-safety advocate groups:

 

• Arizona for Gun Safety
• Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence
• Campaign to Keep Guns off Campus & States United to Prevent Gun Violence
• Cease Fire Pennsylvania
• CT Against Gun Violence
• Cure Violence
• Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
• Mayors Against Illegal Guns
• Protect Minnesota
• Violence Policy Center
• Wisconsin Anti Violence Effort

Because of a scheduling conflict, a representative from Mothers in Charge will attend a meeting with White House officials at a later date.
 
Victims and survivors:

 

• Colin Goddard, a survivor of the Virginia Tech shooting
• Elilta Habtu, a survivor of the Virginia Tech shooting
• William Kellibrew, a witness to violence and founder, William Kellibrew Foundation        
• Annette Nance-Holt, the mother of a victim of gang violence
• Lonnie Phillips, the stepfather of an Aurora, Colo., shooting victim

 

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/9/biden-executive-orders-action-can-be-taken-guns/print/#ixzz2HVHYjtQ9

Edited January 9, 2013 by QuietDan

[JWC]

None of my representatives are there. So I will not comply with anything they come up with and they can pound sand.

[Mark@Sea]

All these different groups - but look up the executive officers.  You're seeing the same people.  Sounds impressive to have 6 or 8 different organizations, but in reality, there are but one or two different groups of people here.

  Also noticed that none of these people are pro-gun.  Not one group.  Not one 'survivor'.  This is a railroading, plain and simple.

[mcurrier]

[Lumber_Jack]

I was listening to POTUS radio on XM and heard Aaron Blake of the Washington Post discussing this very topic. Now as left leaning as they are and the radio host, both seemed pretty convinced that Obama couldn't get true gun control through EO, but would probably be a "background check" type of order.

And neither expect anything to actually pass Congress. Once the fervor settles and the further out we get, the less vocal people will be to see something passed.

Remember Congress can pass a bill essentially canceling the EO, wich the Pres would then veto, and return to congress for majority override. So hope is not lost with an EO, but would be an uphill battle for sure.

It will be interesting to see what comes in to fruition in the near future

[K191145]

I'm wondering if "they", the gun(owner) haters are panicking right now because of the greatly increased sales of guns and ammo. You think "the"(gun owner hater in chief) could attempt an EO halting the sales of AR's and AK,s and .223 and 7.62x39?

[Stegall Law Firm]

I think this is a two-day event, with Walmart, the NRA, and NSSF also attending, although maybe they're on tomorrow's agenda.  Not sure if it's everyone in the room at the same time both days, or if it's anti-gun one day and pro the next. 

 

Edit: according to the full article they will meet on Thursday.

Edited January 9, 2013 by Stegall Law Firm

[raydog1]

Holder must be grinning ear-to-ear right now. Investigation reports zero culpability in F&F, Obama re-elected, and now this.

 

A devout Democrat once told me he was the worst Attorney General in history.  And yet, he still finds a way to win.  That contract with Satan must've been a doozy.

[Volphin]

This "administration" should have more respect for their predecessors.

 

From George Washington's address to the second session of Congress:

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty, teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens' firearms are indelibly related. From the hour the pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that, to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 and 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil influence. They deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour."

[greenego]

I think this is a two-day event, with Walmart, the NRA, and NSSF also attending, although maybe they're on tomorrow's agenda.  Not sure if it's everyone in the room at the same time both days, or if it's anti-gun one day and pro the next. 

 

Edit: according to the full article they will meet on Thursday.

Pro gun day is just for show. Will mean nothing. Obama already knows what he is going to do and NOTHING will stop him. i will be surprised if they even take it up in congress. Just sign the orders and make us all felons if we don't obey. :censored: 

[Guest Mbeck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K3KN9K-KkQ

[Il Duce]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Backfire-Obamacare-Forbids-Gun-and-Ammo-Registration

[superduty]

Good find, Il Duce. Ironic, eh?

Have to reverse an EO by issuing another EO?

[superduty]

Good find, Il Duce. Ironic, eh?

Have to reverse an EO by issuing another EO?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Not if it is found to be unconstitutional. The executive order is also not supposed to be used for this kind of thing. Just

managerial stuff like re-arranging desks and business like things, never to have the force of law. That's reserved to the

congressional part of the branches.

[superduty]

But what about, 'until' it's found to be unconstitutional? And, 'supposed' to be? Edited January 10, 2013 by superduty

[KaNuckles]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Backfire-Obamacare-Forbids-Gun-and-Ammo-Registration

This actually means that doctors can't record any firearms related info for the government to collect. It says the ACA will not be used to collect any type of data nor can premiums be raised because of gun ownership. It doesn't say the feds can't start registration separately. 

 

 

Buried in the 2,800 pages is Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.:

(c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.–

“(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.–A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to–

“(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or

“(the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.

“(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.–None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to–

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;

“(the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or

“(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

“(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.–None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

“(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.–A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under

[Page: S13491] GPO’s PDF

any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon–

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or

“(the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

“(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.–No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to–

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or

“(the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.”.

(f) Section 2718 of the Public Health Service Act, as added by section 1001(5), is amended to read as follows:

Edited January 10, 2013 by KaNuckles

[Smith]

It just says doctors can't gather the information. The'll find another collector. Edited January 11, 2013 by Smith

[Dirtshooter]

They need a garbage collector for all this garbage they are spouting out.

[Guest CCI]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/us/politics/biden-to-meet-with-gun-advocates-including-nra.html?_r=0

[Chief07]

Biden: Executive orders, action can be taken on guns

 

By David Sherfinski

 

The Washington Times

Vice President Joseph R. Biden vowed action on gun control from President Obama on Wednesday and floated the idea that Mr. Obama could use executive action to do so.

 

"The president is going to act," Mr. Biden said, speaking briefly before a meeting with gun safety and gun victims' groups Wednesday. "There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help [of] the attorney general and all the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action we believe is required."

 

Mr. Biden has been tapped by Mr. Obama tapped to head a task force on gun violence, which is scheduled to deliver recommendations to the president by the end of the month.

 

"We are vitally interested in what you have to say," Mr. Biden told the group. "And as the president said, if our actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of Americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

 

"I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the notion, 'unless we can do everything, we're going to do nothing,'" Mr. Biden continued. "It's critically important we act."

 

Per to a White House official, representatives from the groups listed below were at the meeting, according to a pool report. Attorney General Eric Holder also attended.

Gun-safety advocate groups:

 

• Arizona for Gun Safety
• Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence
• Campaign to Keep Guns off Campus & States United to Prevent Gun Violence
• Cease Fire Pennsylvania
• CT Against Gun Violence
• Cure Violence
• Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
• Mayors Against Illegal Guns
• Protect Minnesota
• Violence Policy Center
• Wisconsin Anti Violence Effort

Because of a scheduling conflict, a representative from Mothers in Charge will attend a meeting with White House officials at a later date.
 
Victims and survivors:

 

• Colin Goddard, a survivor of the Virginia Tech shooting
• Elilta Habtu, a survivor of the Virginia Tech shooting
• William Kellibrew, a witness to violence and founder, William Kellibrew Foundation        
• Annette Nance-Holt, the mother of a victim of gang violence
• Lonnie Phillips, the stepfather of an Aurora, Colo., shooting victim

 

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/9/biden-executive-orders-action-can-be-taken-guns/print/#ixzz2HVHYjtQ9

Joe Biden is the typical Washington Idiot.

He has never read the Declaration of Independence,

Never read the Constitution,

Never read the bill of Rights.

 

He is just like the rest of the drones, he'll make it up as he goes along.

Elections have consequences.

These idiot temporary politicians need to go.

The damage they do to our great country last long after they are dust in the ground.

Look at Kennedy, BTW he was the first shovel ready job Obama had.

[Oh Shoot]

Joe Biden is the typical Washington Idiot.

....

These idiot temporary politicians need to go.

 

Biden had been sent to the Senate for  36 years by his constituency before the last 4 as veep,  so that's really stretching "temporary" methinks.

 

- OS

Edited January 11, 2013 by Oh Shoot

[Chief07]

Biden had been sent to the Senate for  36 years by his constituency before the last 4 as veep,  so that's really stretching "temporary" methinks.

 

- OS

Nobody said the people of Delaware had any brains.

3 counties in the whole state, 1/2 work at Dupont sniffing chemicals.

What do we expect.

[Oh Shoot]

Nobody said the people of Delaware had any brains.

3 counties in the whole state, 1/2 work at Dupont sniffing chemicals.

What do we expect.

 

RINO senators, apparently.

 

- OS

[MacGyver]

Biden shouldn't be underestimated. He's a holdover from an older generation of Congress, of whom there aren't many left.

He's not afraid to negotiate with the gloves off, and he knows more about procedure than most new congressmen combined. He uses the buffoon image to his advantage. Most people are so caught up with "idiot Joe Biden" that they don't notice him getting the upper hand.

Dislike him all you want, but don't discount him because of it.