Sandy hook conspiracy? (Bring your tin foil hat)

[East_TN_Patriot]

I'm not saying this is some kind of conspiracy, but some things seem strange. I also find it strange that some people accuse anyone that questions the official version of anything of being "tin foil hat" I guess the whole fast and furious affair is just tin foil hat stuff. The Benghazi attack is just tin foil hat stuff too. After all, the Libs say so.

 

Then that's not what I would consider tinfoil hat kind of thinking.  What I am referring to are the people who believe that the Obama administration completely staged this event and/or ordered the killing of innocent children simply to legitimize new gun control laws.  I am also referring to the people who systematically disregard any and all evidence of what took place if it doesn't fit the conspiratorial narrative.  For example, if we saw photos of the dead children, they would claim they are staged and fake photos released by the government.  Grieving parents are called "crisis actors" hired by FEMA (a consistent villain for the tinfoil hat crowd).  Heck, I guess if FEMA is going to help the UN invade the United States, they can hire "crisis actors" to use on the off-hand chance there is a mass shooting at an elementary school somewhere.

Now, do I think this event is being exploited by gun-control advocates?  Absolutely.  There is no doubt in my mind about that and the evidence is clear that is the case.  Is the Obama administration taking every opportunity to use this to score political points.  Certainly, just like any politician does.  Is the media broadcasting biased coverage?  Of course, just like they always do and always have done regardless of the story.

Is Benghazi tinfoil hat?  No, again, the evidence is clear what happened there.  What IS tinfoil hat are the claims that the Obama administration specifically staged the event for political purposes.  Is "Fast and Furious" tinfoil hat?  No, evidence shows that it actually happened and was an epic failure of the Department of Justice.  What does become tinfoil hat in my opinion is the belief that the Obama administration intentionally put the entire operation into effect specifically to justify gun control.  If you believe that, then you must believe the 9/11 conspiracy that Bush knew about and/or ordered the 9/11 attacks to happen specifically to justify war in Iraq.  The "evidence" of that conspiracy is just as good as these other conspiracy claims. 

 

You think it's strange that I call this sort of logic tinfoil hat, and I would counter that statement with the fact that I'm regularly called one of the sheep for not believing in this sort of BS.

Edited January 15, 2013 by East_TN_Patriot

[East_TN_Patriot]

How, exactly? I can't prove too much about a web page that claims to be a fact checker any more than I can find my own

answers. The same way you do. I don't rely on someone else's opinion to make something fact. The internet is full of this crap

and people fall for it until they don't have a clue what something is or is not.  On their latest version of their "about us" page

they use FactCheck.org to dispel the myth(whatever) that they are not politicially motivated one way or another. Go check out

FactCheck.org. It will lead you to places like Center for American Progress, FactCheck has always had a liberal bias since they

are owned and operated and were started by liberals for media disinformation. Oh, MediaMatters.org. If you accept those folks

for your facts what's to discuss? They have been outed even in the news.

 

I remember hearing from friends in emails about certain facts verified or shot down by snopes years ago, and never paid much

attention, usually to those who would assume something to be the truth just because someone like that said it. I dig for my own

answers, not because Fox said it, either, but certainly because snopes.com said it, being some kind of authority they themselves

claim to be.

 

I know you're not a liberal, and I know since you got your doctorate, you know how to research something, and I know you wouldn't

use a source like that to document any paper you wrote. Anything that leads to those places makes me suspect and I won't go near

them because of it, just like I won't go to HuffPo, because they are primarily no better than the CBS Evening News, who quit doing

the news before I was born. Propaganda comes in all forms. Even from the right, friend, just not necessarily as blatant.

 

When I wear a hat, it is usually a fedora, not tinfoil.

 

OK, now that's a legitimate answer.  Most people will respond with the typical blanket statements of "they are liberals" or "they are in the tank for Obama".  As you appear to recognize, there isn't a single source that doesn't possess some level of bias.  I would suggest that it's useful to look at sites that you know are biased in the opposite direction.  If you can debunk their arguments, then you know your own beliefs are on much more solid ground. 

Again, what I am harping on are the people who claim this whole event was staged (or carried out by the government) and that the government has brought in "crisis actors" to help cover it all up. 

[Guest 6.8 AR]

ET, they claim those things because they see flaws and they fear those flaws lead to other things that can't be explained. A

piece of information left out here, another piece left out there when something doesn't corroborate what is in front of their

eyes. I imagine a detective does the same thing until he or she gets the picture right, wouldn't you? When the media drops

the ball like that and a few pick up on it, nothing wrong with that. Just don't make it into something it isn't. For that reason

I agree with you, but sometimes they have gotten things right, I'm sure not often, and I won't just categorize everything

tinfoil conspiracy. That's one thing that time usually tells.

 

If it fails my BS detector I dig, also, until I can't find anything, but it still fails. I just see I won't get anywhere and move on.

There are some things we may never know about and maybe that's good enough because the stuff we do know about

is enough to make the blood boil.

 

I can easily use the blanket term "they are liberals", but I usually qualify it.

 

I try to base my argument with history without using the new media because you have to sift too much through the modern

internet based information. Like Snopes, too much crap out there. Identify the roots of liberalism and all their old faces, and

the modern day is just a recycled version. Haven't changed a bit. Just put on a few different masks.

[RichardR]

Perhaps my previous post was to long, so I will make this one much more brief.

"Operation Northwoods" it is worth the time to look into it.

[GlockSpock]

Perhaps my previous post was to long, so I will make this one much more brief.

"Operation Northwoods" it is worth the time to look into it.

 

I've been reading some about it ever since you posted it earlier. It is certainly eye opening as to the mindset that some in the government have. Also, I would think that statistically you would be very safe betting that in the history of our nation something like that has actually taken place. History is written by the winners and the people whom control the media, and dead people don't make very good witnesses.