Opinion from The Tennessean

[Fourtyfive]

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130107/OPINION03/301070006/Guns-don-t-kill-people-people-do-guns?nclick_check=1

[mikegideon]

I love me some liberals.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Well, he screwed up a few times, right out of the gate.

 

The 2nd Amendment is certainly about weapons of war. There's one.

[timcalhoun]

Well, he screwed up a few times, right out of the gate.

 

The 2nd Amendment is certainly about weapons of war. There's one.

 

That is exactly right.

 

I've heard many say that the idea of citizens going up against a "future" tyrannical US government is just fantasy even if ARs and such were legal. I then quickly remind them of Afghanistan during the 80's when a ragtag army using nothing but small arms gave a world power all they could handle. Not to mention our own revolution where again the largest and most advanced army on the planet was bested by a vastly outgunned group of patriots. The will of the people, and a just cause, goes a long way when it comes to winning a war......

Edited January 7, 2013 by timcalhoun

[Guest bkelm18]

That is exactly right.

 

I've heard many say that the idea of citizens going up against a "future" tyrannical US government is just fantasy even if ARs and such were legal. I then quickly remind them of Afghanistan during the 80's when a ragtag army using nothing but small arms gave a world power all they could handle. Not to mention our own revolution where again the largest and most advanced army on the planet was bested by a vastly outgunned group of patriots. The will of the people, and a just cause, goes a long way when it comes to winning a war......

 

1980s? How about the past 10 years. They've kept us on our toes over there with nothing but stuff you can buy at the Afghan version of Radioshack.

[Guest Cold Dead Hands]

I've fought the Afghans. I've fought Iraqi's. I've fought insurgents in Central America. I've trained them. We couldn't beat an insurgency because they would never give up. They were all tough but nothing compared to what an American Insurgency would look like. There would be no military on the face of the Earth who could beat a motivated force of former US Military operators fighting for our own survival on our own land. I know the military and in my opinion regular ground troops would be no match for a small force former SPECOPS guys. (RNGR, SPFCS, SEAL, ANGLICO, FRCRECON, CCTRL, PJ'S, ETC ) The less organized the better BTW...If it really went hot it would be much worse than that for them. Let me tell you something folks. There's a whole lot of concerned current and former highly trained individuals that believe in the stars and stripes, apple pie and the American way and they would not sit back idly while it's destroyed. If anything, this administration's actions have awakened a lot of blindly patriotic, yet asleep men.

 

I'm hoping for the best but not too optimistic about it NOT going hot. Sorry if I get banned for saying that but it's always the same with these authoritarian figures. The ones who have seized control in this country think this is their moment and they mean to seize it. You say it can't happen here? History shows otherwise. Economic collapse is coming then overt martial law and gun confiscation WILL be attempted. i KNOW these "Liberal" authoritarian types. They are easy to beat however.

Edited January 8, 2013 by Cold Dead Hands

[DaveTN]

I saw that earlier and was going to post it, but then I thought that dumb SOB doesn’t deserve to get any hits.

[Romad7]

I've fought the Afghans. I've fought Iraqi's. I've fought insurgents in Central America. I've trained them. We couldn't beat an insurgency because they would never give up. They were all tough but nothing compared to what an American Insurgency would look like. There would be no military on the face of the Earth who could beat a motivated force of former US Military operators fighting for our own survival on our own land. I know the military and in my opinion regular ground troops would be no match for a small force former SPECOPS guys. (RNGR, SPFCS, SEAL, ANGLICO, FRCRECON, CCTRL, PJ'S, ETC ) The less organized the better BTW...If it really went hot it would be much worse than that for them. Let me tell you something folks. There's a whole lot of concerned current and former highly trained individuals that believe in the stars and stripes, apple pie and the American way and they would not sit back idly while it's destroyed. If anything, this administration's actions have awakened a lot of blindly patriotic, yet asleep men.
 
I'm hoping for the best but not too optimistic about it NOT going hot. Sorry if I get banned for saying that but it's always the same with these authoritarian figures. The ones who have seized control in this country think this is their moment and they mean to seize it. You say it can't happen here? History shows otherwise. Economic collapse is coming then overt martial law and gun confiscation WILL be attempted. i KNOW these "Liberal" authoritarian types. They are easy to beat however.

Yes, they would be smart to not give us a reason to fight...

[Commando68]

Can anyone believe this crap from this toad? There are so many points in this article to be ripped to shreds it isn't worth it. What a joke. Protecting the innocents in his home a priority? What is he going to do when someone is breaking in? I'm too tired to rant. Idiot.

[MattCary]

I got to: "Any deer hunter who requires a 30-round magazine to bag a buck" and had to stop.

 

Has anyone heard it argued that hunters need 30 round magazines? 

 

I sure haven't.

 

Strawman much?

[Guest HvyMtl]

Can someone look up the historical situation the Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd A in?  Is it not true, at the time of the Revolutionary War, and even later, say, the "Civil" War, the PRIVATE ownership of field artillary was common?

 

Wouldn't a 12 pounder artillary piece = the modern day definition of "weapon of mass destruction?"

 

And, um, I still have not seen a reason to buy Tennesseans, except for the coupons in the Sunday edition.

[Guest DBR]

Mr. William X. Andrews is a hippy. He might have been in Vietnam and was the best shot in my company with the M-14 and qualified as “expert” on the M-16. that was the last time he even saw one. Mr. A also said that he "still can’t expunge from memory the image of enemy dead along our perimeter'. They were the enemy.

If you’re fellow soldiers did not kill them, they would have killed you.

 

Mr. William X. Andrews is a retired college history professor who lives in Columbia, Tenn. He has not seen the real world in 44 yrs. Now, there are many good people living in Columbia, TN.

But he is the lunatic fringe.

Mr. Andrews says that he is a grandparent with children often in our home, and he keeps him guns locked up, disassembled and dispersed. WTF?

Let me tell Mr. Andrews one thing. I'm a grandparent also and have guns in the house all loaded and where I or my wife can get to them if needed. I will do anything and everything to protect them. As all parents and grandparents would do. " BUT HIM".

Mr. Andrews I hope the day never comes that I have to take a life to protect my grandchildren. But I assure you I will not have to look around the house or assemble my guns before I do.

"I LOVE MY GRANDCHILDREN" Mr. William X. Andrews

 

P.S. No wonder the Tennessean is going under.

Edited January 8, 2013 by DBR

[Jonnin]

I got to: "Any deer hunter who requires a 30-round magazine to bag a buck" and had to stop.

 

Has anyone heard it argued that hunters need 30 round magazines? 

 

I sure haven't.

 

Strawman much?

Clearly, packs of coyotes come in 1's and 2s so a flintlock rifle is sufficient.

Edited January 8, 2013 by Jonnin

[JayC]

The shot heard around the world wasn't about taking rifles away, the British were coming for the canons, and powder for those canons.

 

It was very common up through the 19th century for privately organized and funded militia companies to be formed and maintain artillery for the common good of the state.  Some of these 'private militias' are still around today.  I think there is a big on up in NY state.

 

 

 

Can someone look up the historical situation the Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd A in?  Is it not true, at the time of the Revolutionary War, and even later, say, the "Civil" War, the PRIVATE ownership of field artillary was common?

 

Wouldn't a 12 pounder artillary piece = the modern day definition of "weapon of mass destruction?"

 

And, um, I still have not seen a reason to buy Tennesseans, except for the coupons in the Sunday edition.

 

 

[Krull]

In the meantime Obama is sending F-16's and M1-a1's to Egypt to arm the Muslim Brother hood........but that is ok.  I guess those arent considered a real threat.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/02/pressure-builds-to-nix-gift-tanks-f-16s-to-egypt/

[Krull]

"I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy," the president told Telemundo in September referring to Egyot

 

 

So we give them 200 M1 tanks and f-16's ---

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE according to president dumbarseand the Feinturd do not need to own hi cap magazines and semi-auto's.....

talk about bassackwards

 

 

 

I wonder what this looney says about the American people behind closed doors....................

Edited January 8, 2013 by Krull

[LagerHead]

That is exactly right.

 

I've heard many say that the idea of citizens going up against a "future" tyrannical US government is just fantasy even if ARs and such were legal. I then quickly remind them of Afghanistan during the 80's when a ragtag army using nothing but small arms gave a world power all they could handle. Not to mention our own revolution where again the largest and most advanced army on the planet was bested by a vastly outgunned group of patriots. The will of the people, and a just cause, goes a long way when it comes to winning a war......

 

Another thing: People incorrectly assume that should our government become tyrannical that those with the keys to the tanks and helicopters will automatically go along with it. I seem to remember in my oath something about defending the Constitution of the United States agains ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. If I had been told to open fire on my fellow citizens because they were standing up for their God-given rights I'm afraid I would have considered that an unlawful order and refused it. I might have even turned around and joined them. 

[Wheelgunner]

What I'm about to write is unrelated to the comments above (which I agree with) about the purpose of the Second Amendment.  Rather, it's an indictment of the dangerous brand of liberal "logic" seen in the article mentioned above.

 

I quote Mr. Andrews:

"I'm not worried, because I don't own an assault weapon and don't feel the need for one."  And later: "Guns are not going away, because the Second Amendment is sacrosanct."

 

Mr. Andrews admits that he has no desire to own a liberty rifle.  Then he concedes that firearms generally are here to stay.  Shouldn't it be enough, then, for him simply not to purchase one?  Why will he only be satisfied when no one can purchase one?

 

I personally don't have any desire to own the morning after pill.  In fact, I am opposed to its use based on my principles.  So what do I do?  How do I deal with my moral aversion to the morning after pill?  Do I attempt to prevent others from having access to it, or rail against it in the media?  No.  I simply don't buy it.

 

I sincerely regret that Mr. Andrews has psychological problems stemming from his federal military service.  But I can't help but point out that a reasonable national (and local) dialogue - emphasizing logic, history, and law -  about the place of firearms in our society would be much more achievable and productive if those (like Mr. Andrews) with deep seated phobias, emotional scarring, and other mental health problems conscientiously removed themselves from the discussion.  

 

People like Mr. Andrews truly frighten me.  They represent one of the greatest threats to our rights because they cannot be engaged in a mature political debate.  If a liberal has a list of reasons or historical evidence that supports his positions, I can show him the fallacies of his logic, or prove to him that his historical events were anomalous.  I can show him, through reasoning, why he is wrong - and bring him to our side.  But when a man refuses to recognize logical reasoning - like the relationship of cause and effect - and refuses to acknowledge the value of historical analysis - e.g. the fact that we have needed to fight for our freedom in the past - and instead stands solely on emotions and fears...  he's effectively removed himself from the grownup world of discussion.  He has become a zealot, a person beyond the reach of rational adult reasoning.  And we all know what happens when angry people are no longer able to reason.

Edited January 8, 2013 by Wheelgunner

[MattCary]

 And we all know what happens when angry people are no longer able to reason.

 

I found this out yesterday; they say "well, I thought we were friends" and de-friend you on FB.