Arrogant, period.

[Guest Steelharp]

One arrogant bastard, if nothing else... and there's plenty else...

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_Presidential_Seal/2008/06/22/106643.html?s=al&promo_code=64B7-1

[The Rabbi]

I think the GOP spokesman said it best:

This is too serious a contest about too serious of issues for a candidate to be playing make-believe on the trail," Brian Rogers, a spokesman for presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, told The Los Angeles Times.

This guy is a loser. Americans like their symbols and someone promising to do away with them is treading on thin ice.

[mdlave]

I'm having a hard time believing this is real. Did Obama read about this in The Onion and think it was a good idea?

[Marswolf]

The guy is all rhetoric and platitudes. With his change of whim on campaign financing, it's quite clear he has no integrity.

Nothing new about his ideas. He's just another lying politician. His word means nothing to him. He's already a pawn to the party leaders.

[Guest Steelharp]

But, Mars, the voting public, the majority and most certainly the youth, are all about "rhetoric and platitudes." Our McSociety has helped to achieve that. I thank God my children are more aware of the meat of matters, having been raised in my house. But that's the exception, I fear.

[The Rabbi]

The guy is all rhetoric and platitudes. With his change of whim on campaign financing, it's quite clear he has no integrity.

Nothing new about his ideas. He's just another lying politician. His word means nothing to him. He's already a pawn to the party leaders.

He is a creature of the Daly Chicago political machine. Almost by definition it means he's dirty is some way. Only question is whether the press will give him a pass on it.

He is also extremely untested, and you see this almost every day in mis-steps and mis-statements. His advisors stink, as does his judgement.

[Guest c_o_jones]

[Guest bkelm18]

This guy is just bad news all around for us and this country. Arrogance indeed. Unfortunately that a**hole is going to get elected.

[Guest canynracer]

What a piece of ****!!

Is he gonna change the flag too??? cause you know all of these things are the important issues he faces...

This part got me REALLY boiling:

"Other Obama changes to the seal include the removal of the shield over the eagle's breast, representing the president's oath to defend the Constitution. "

He doesnt look to have too many fans here:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/department_of_obama_image_debu.html

Edited June 23, 2008 by canynracer

[saintsfanbrian]

And here I thought this was going to be about King Willie Herrenton.

[molonlabetn]

**** him

[Guest bkelm18]

**** him

I agree.

[Guest Steelharp]

I dunno... I wouldn't even **** him with your ****...

[molonlabetn]

I was thinking something along the lines of the 'Obama Donkey Show'...

[strickj]

From canys link:

I guess the Obama campaign doesn't realize that there is a federal law against using any image of the likeness of the Presidential seal 18USC713. But then, what else do you expect from such an arrogant individual, who feel he is entitled to the Presidency!

Is this true?

[Guest TNDixieGirl]

Yep!

CITE: 18USC713]

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 33--EMBLEMS, INSIGNIA, AND NAMES

Sec. 713. Use of likenesses of the great seal of the United

States, the seals of the President and Vice President, the seal

of the United States Senate, the seal of the United States House

of Representatives, and the seal of the United States Congress

(a) Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the

great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the

Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States

Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or

the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, in, or

in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet,

or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or

other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the

purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a

false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the

United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof,

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months,

or both.

( Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by

the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly

manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either

separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness

of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part

thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official

use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this

title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

© Whoever, except as directed by the United States Senate, or the

Secretary of the Senate on its behalf, knowingly uses, manufactures,

reproduces, sells or purchases for resale, either separately or appended

to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seal of the

United States Senate, or any substantial part thereof, except for

manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the

Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or

imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

(d) Whoever, except as directed by the United States House of

Representatives, or the Clerk of the House of Representatives on its

behalf, knowingly uses, manufactures, reproduces, sells or purchases for

resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or

sold, any likeness of the seal of the United States House of

Representatives, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture

or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the

United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more

than six months, or both.

(e) Whoever, except as directed by the United States Congress, or

the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House of

Representatives, acting jointly on its behalf, knowingly uses,

manufactures, reproduces, sells or purchases for resale, either

separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness

of the seal of the United States Congress, or any substantial part

thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official

use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this

title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

(f) A violation of the provisions of this section may be enjoined at

the suit of the Attorney General,

(1) in the case of the great seal of the United States and the

seals of the President and Vice President, upon complaint by any

authorized representative of any department or agency of the United

States;

(2) in the case of the seal of the United States Senate, upon

complaint by the Secretary of the Senate;

(3) in the case of the seal of the United States House of

Representatives, upon complaint by the Clerk of the House of

Representatives; and

(4) in the case of the seal of the United States Congress, upon

complaint by the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House

of Representatives, acting jointly.

(Added Pub. L. 89-807, Sec. 1(a), Nov. 11, 1966, 80 Stat. 1525; amended

Pub. L. 91-651, Sec. 1, Jan. 5, 1971, 84 Stat. 1940; Pub. L. 102-229,

title II, Sec. 210(a)-(d), Dec. 12, 1991, 105 Stat. 1717; Pub. L. 103-

322, title XXXIII, Sec. 330016(1)(E), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2146;

Pub. L. 105-55, title III, Sec. 308(a)-(d), Oct. 7, 1997, 111 Stat.

1198.)

Amendments

1997--Pub. L. 105-55, Sec. 308(d), substituted ``the seal of the

United States Senate, the seal of the United States House of

Representatives, and the seal of the United States Congress'' for ``and

the seal of the United States Senate'' in section catchline.

Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 105-55, Sec. 308(a), inserted ``or the seal of

the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United

States Congress,'' after ``Senate,''.

Subsecs. (d), (e). Pub. L. 105-55, Sec. 308(, added subsecs. (d)

and (e). Former subsec. (d) redesignated (f).

Subsec. (f). Pub. L. 105-55, Sec. 308((1), redesignated subsec.

(d) as (f).

Subsec. (f)(3), (4). Pub. L. 105-55, Sec. 308©, added pars. (3)

and (4).

1994--Subsecs. (a) to ©. Pub. L. 103-322 substituted ``fined under

this title'' for ``fined not more than $250''.

1991--Pub. L. 102-229, Sec. 210(a), substituted ``the seals of the

President and Vice President, and the seal of the United States Senate''

for ``and of the seals of the President and Vice President'' in section

catchline.

Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 102-229, Sec. 210(, inserted ``or the seal of

the United States Senate,'' after ``Vice President of the United

States,''.

Subsecs. ©, (d). Pub. L. 102-229, Sec. 210©, (d), added subsec.

©, amended former subsec. © generally, and redesignated former

subsec. © as (d). Prior to amendment and redesignation, former subsec.

© read as follows: ``A violation of subsection (a) or ( of this

section may be enjoined at the suit of the Attorney General upon

complaint by any authorized representative of any department or agency

of the United States.''

1971--Pub. L. 91-651 substituted ``Use of likenesses of the great

seal of the United States, and of the seals of the President and Vice

President'' for ``Use of the great seal of the United States'' in

section catchline.

Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 91-651 redesignated existing provisions as

subsec. (a), expanded prohibition to include likenesses of the seals of

the President and Vice President, and added to the enumerated list of

prohibited uses for likenesses of the great seal of the United States

and for the seals of the President and Vice President, use in posters,

public meetings, or on any building, monument, or stationery.

Subsecs. (, ©. Pub. L. 91-651 added subsecs. ( and ©.

Effective Date of 1971 Amendment

Section 3 of Pub. L. 91-651 provided that: The amendments made by

this Act [amending this section] shall not make unlawful any preexisting

use of the design of the great seal of the United States or of the seals

of the President or Vice President of the United States that was lawful

on the date of enactment of this Act [Jan. 5, 1971], until one year

after the date of such enactment.''

Ex. Ord. No. 11649. Regulations Governing Seals of President and Vice

President of United States

Ex. Ord. No. 11649, Feb. 16, 1972, 37 F.R. 3625, as amended by Ex.

Ord. No. 11916, May 28, 1976, 41 F.R. 22031, provided:

By virtue to the authority vested in me by section 713( of title

18, United States Code, I hereby prescribe the following regulations

governing the use of the Seals of the President and the Vice President

of the United States:

Section 1. Except as otherwise provided by law, the knowing

manufacture, reproduction, sale, or purchase for resale of the Seals or

Coats of Arms of the President or the Vice President of the United

States, or any likeness or substantial part thereof, shall be permitted

only for the following uses:

(a) Use by the President or Vice President of the United States;

( Use in encyclopedias, dictionaries, books, journals, pamphlets,

periodicals, or magazines incident to a description or history of seals,

coats of arms, heraldry, or the Presidency or Vice Presidency;

© Use in libraries, museums, or educational facilities incident to

descriptions or exhibits relating to seals, coats of arms, heraldry, or

the Presidency or Vice Presidency;

(d) Use as an architectural embellishment in libraries, museums, or

archives established to house the papers or effects of former Presidents

or Vice Presidents;

(e) Use on a monument to a former President or Vice President;

(f) Use by way of photographic or electronic visual reproduction in

pictures, moving pictures, or telecasts of bona fide news content;

(g) Such other uses for exceptional historical, educational, or

newsworthy purposes as may be authorized in writing by the Counsel to

the President.

Sec. 2. The manufacture, reproduction, sale, or purchase for resale,

either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, of

the Seals of the President or Vice President, or any likeness or

substantial part thereof, except as provided in this Order or as

otherwise provided by law, is prohibited.

Richard Nixon.

[saintsfanbrian]

Do you think any charges will come of this? Nope, and all he has to say is that his is the logo for his campaign and is not in any way affiliated with the seal of the POTUS.

[Mike.357]

I see maybe a vague similarity. Is he breaking any laws? I am not so sure.

The guy is a tool, and no doubt some marketing guru came up with this.

Will it help elect him? Maybe. Subliminal messages work pretty well.

[The Rabbi]

What he is displaying is not the Seal of the President of The United States. Yet.

He hasn't done anything legally wrong. Just stupid.

Kind of like open carrying.....

[Marswolf]

Guess I'm legal,

I don't see that Obama did anything illegal, just juvenile.

[Guest bkelm18]

Guess I'm legal,

I don't see that Obama did anything illegal, just juvenile.

Took me a second to figure out what I was supposed to be looking at...

[Marswolf]

Took me a second to figure out what I was supposed to be looking at...

You're suppose to be looking at my rocks....

[Volzfan]

**** him

My feelings exactly!!!

[Punisher84]

You're suppose to be looking at my rocks....

ROFL!

[Guest Len]

Newsmax.com? I suppose if Fox is too objective and unbiased for you...

Note for example, the not so subtle linking of Obama with Louis Farrakhan. Nice touch.

Interesting idea the concept of Obama being "out of touch" and this new campaign symbol being an example of it. I would imagine the vetting process for every logo/emblem/sticker/image in a presidential campaign that has millions to spend is fairly intense. We'll see if the "out of touch" with the majority comment applies to Obama or those criticizing the symbol. If everyone here is right, the symbol will be gone in no time, if it sticks around it will show that the majority of people who might actually vote for the guy don't care or don't see the problem.

Me? I think it looks a little tacky. I'd keep the old logo until a VP is picked, then re-do everything.