Carry vs Property Rights

[Guest RonM0710]

Have any of you been asked to conceal your weapon in businesses that are not posted?

 

How did you handle it?

 

We had a guy in my home town that carried into several business and when told they did not want him in their business displaying his open carry firearm he took exception to that.  Now those businesses are all posted. 

 

There was a similar case in Chattanooga at a theater.  A manager approached an OC permit holder and ask him to please conceal his weapon as they had a complaint.  The OC individual argued that TN Carry Permit allowed him to carry Open or Concealed (which is correct).  The police had to be called to get the man to leave the theater when he continued to refuse to conceal.

 

This one individual has almost caused everyone to loose their right to carry in that one theater just like the one guy did in several business in my home town.

 

I conceal carry because that is what I got used to as a LEO.  I don't have a problem with open carry but sometimes I think CC might be a better idea in some situations.

[Guest bkelm18]

Their property, their rules. If they let you carry but ask you to conceal it, you should conceal it or GTFO.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Their property, their rules. If they let you carry but ask you to conceal it, you should conceal it or GTFO.

 

+1

 

Dolomite

[Spiffy]

Gun Owners need to apply for Minority rights then we can say you only doing this cuz I own a gun!

[Just2Honor]

As I see it the property owner has rights.  A HCP gives me no rights.  What I have is a defense against the TN law forbidding the carrying of a weapon.  Don't imply that it is right, just the way it is in TN.

[battleop]

"Have any of you been asked to conceal your weapon in businesses that are not posted?"

 

No, but then again I think open carry creates many more problems than it's worth.  Open carry makes some people uneasy which leads to complaints which leads to a gun busters sign.  The last thing I want is extra attention or to become the first target in a surprise robbery.

[Transplanted Hoosier]

"The last thing I want is extra attention or to become the first target in a surprise robbery". I agree 100%.

[Jonnin]

just heard on the news today that TN is working the parking lot bill part 2 --- a don't ask, don't tell variation where the property owner cannot search you or your vehicle (I think, have not had a chance to look yet).   Amazing, a NEW law to prevent unreasonable searches, what a GREAT idea

[chances R]

I completely understand people OC, but IMO this does more harm than good, just as the OP pointed out;  i.e.  more gunbuster signs.  One's OC is not going to convince the general public that it is an OK thing, in fact I think it has just the opposite effect.  Tactically it is also a bad choice.  I really don't think we want to divide us up and argue OC vs. CC, but I do think that those that OC need to really evaluate what they are accomplishing overall. 

[Guest cardcutter]

Have any of you been asked to conceal your weapon in businesses that are not posted?

 

How did you handle it?

 

We had a guy in my home town that carried into several business and when told they did not want him in their business displaying his open carry firearm he took exception to that.  Now those businesses are all posted. 

 

There was a similar case in Chattanooga at a theater.  A manager approached an OC permit holder and ask him to please conceal his weapon as they had a complaint.  The OC individual argued that TN Carry Permit allowed him to carry Open or Concealed (which is correct).  The police had to be called to get the man to leave the theater when he continued to refuse to conceal.

 

This one individual has almost caused everyone to loose their right to carry in that one theater just like the one guy did in several business in my home town.

 I will not begin to get into the  OC vs CC argument. However being deliberately confrontaional is not only bad for the rest of usgun owners, but it is plain old fassioned stupid. As seen above you don't change minds for the good that way!

Edited January 4, 2013 by cardcutter

[Guest 270win]

If asked to leave, then you should leave.  If I wanted to require people to cover their handgun up in my business, then I can.  I don't care how people carry but some people do.

 

 

However, none of this should be a criminal offense IF the person either leaves when asked or covers up when asked.  If the person does not follow the rules and leave, then it should fall under trespass.  The 500 dollar sign fines are crazy.

[DaveTN]

just heard on the news today that TN is working the parking lot bill part 2 --- a don't ask, don't tell variation where the property owner cannot search you or your vehicle (I think, have not had a chance to look yet).   Amazing, a NEW law to prevent unreasonable searches, what a GREAT idea

Property owners can't search your vehicle now unless you give them permission.

[Guest ArmaDeFuego]

Property owners can't search your vehicle now unless you give them permission.

 

Yep, this is true. If your employer asks to search your vehicle you can tell them no. Of course they can (& probably will at that point) fire you.

[DaveTN]

 Yep, this is true. If your employer asks to search your vehicle you can tell them no. Of course they can (& probably will at that point) fire you.

 
And that’s the point. Some people that don’t live in an “employment at will state” (Which has nothing to do with “right to work”) and even some who do, don’t understand that if your employer doesn’t want you around; you won’t be around. Now… the legislature can pass all kinds of laws that allow you to tell your employer to go pound sand, but it’s ridiculous to think they have any teeth or that they will back you.

Go find a new job at place that will let you carry if it’s that important to you. Do it on your schedule instead of having a period of being unemployed because you got in a pizzing match with your boss and lost.

[Guest 270win]

Yeah even if this parking lot bill passes, I guarantee you if a company does not like guns and the company finds an employee with a gun, that employee will be fired.  This is in my opinion a desired law that does nothing, except help people get unemployment when fired for having a gun.  You won't be fired for having a gun, you would be fired for being incompetent or some other reason.  Stick in the mud bosses are good about making up a reason or no reason to fire people.

[Guest RonM0710]

I read in another forum someone saying that if you were carrying and went to someones home, you should ask if it is ok to carry in their home.  I believe some states even require that.  I believe in "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

[DaveTN]

I read in another forum someone saying that if you were carrying and went to someones home, you should ask if it is ok to carry in their home.  I believe some states even require that.  I believe in "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

 
 Then you would be breaking the law in Louisiana. From the Louisiana State Police Web site…
http://www.lsp.org/handguns.html#duties

I believe in knowing the law where you are carrying. Don’t ask, Don’t tell could get your HCP revoked if you violate the law in a state with reciprocity.

 

 Prohibited Locations

R.S. 40:1379.3 (N) states that no concealed handgun may be carried into and no concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to this Section shall authorize or entitle a permittee to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following:
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A law enforcement office, station, or building;

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A detention facility, prison, or jail;

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A courthouse or courtroom, provided that a judge may carry such a weapon in his own courtroom;

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A polling place;

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A meeting place of the governing authority of a political subdivision;

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The state capitol building;

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Any portion of an airport facility where the carrying of firearms is prohibited under federal law, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, if the firearm is encased for shipment, for the purpose of checking such firearm as lawful baggage;

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Any church, synagogue, mosque or similar place of worship;

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A parade or demonstration for which a permit is issued by a governmental entity;

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Any portion of the permitted area of an establishment that has been granted a Class A-General retail permit, as defined in Part II of Chapter 1 or Part II of Chapter 2 of Title 26 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, to sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.

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Any school "firearm free zone" as defined in R.S. 14:95.6.


The provisions of R.S. 40:1379.3 (N) shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section. No individual to whom a concealed handgun permit is issued may carry such concealed handgun into the private residence of another without first receiving the consent of that person.
 

[The Average Joe]

O.C. = first man shot if/when bad guys show up and S.H.T.F.

[Makiaveli]

Their property, their rules. If they let you carry but ask you to conceal it, you should conceal it or GTFO.

 

/thread. :)