What You'll See In The Rebellion...

[Guest Troubadour Patriot]

Wow.......Discuss?

 

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/what-youll-see-in-the-rebellion/

[dieewigeteufel]

A wild fantasy I hope. I just don't know. There are way too many people that would be in line to turn in their guns if it were ever seriously demanded.

[NRA]

pure fantasy

[Commando68]

Hopefully, the Republicans in the house will stop this madness. A situation like that is a lose for everyone. Let's just hope that the failing system we have now averts this dystopian disaster.

[Guest bkelm18]

Wow.......Discuss?

 

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/what-youll-see-in-the-rebellion/

 

I like how you shot down the fellow from Ottawa, the only one to really inject some common sense into this "rebellion" article.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I doubt anyone knows what will happen with the passage of some kind of ban. Speculation on both sides. I have a feeling, though that some Canadian might not have any idea what would happen, either. Since I'm of the idea that it will end up as an EO, there will a lot of mischief, and the gov won't see the level of compliance some, who gave up before anything happened, tend to boast. Very grey to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Guest TNSovereignty]

Again, I'm more contrarian.  Seems like a feasible scenario to me - one of many possibilities -  but the timeline might be decades into the future.  There's no question that the statists/socialists want to ban guns, and they have a strategically LONG view on how they might eventually complete their conquest of our republic.  Those of us who think this is pure fantasy need to study world history - particularly the history of empires - also look at how America's demographics are drastically changing, and end our arrogance by thinking that tyranny only happens in other, third world countries. 

[Guest bkelm18]

Well, what will happen is anyone's guess, but I will side with the Ottawan and say most Americans will happily hand over anything that gets banned. There may be small pockets of "resistance" but that would be quashed. This is not the America of 1776. The lessons we learned have long since been forgotten.

[itchytriggerfinger]

Yeah, I really don't see a big rebellion happening.  Perhaps a few strongholds in the south that will certainly get smoked by a coordinated offensive attack from a trained military force. 

[JPR1959]

I don't think it will be just a few in the South.  Look at the map!!!

 

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md9f5e38JB1rugehno1_500.jpg

[itchytriggerfinger]

That map has been proven useless time and time again because of the disproportion between land and population.  If we change the map to reflect this, you see your concentration of red states in the south. 

 

I suppose I shouldn't have made such a generalized statement, but I was thinking of the Nightline piece I saw not too long ago with the KKK group in Tupelo, MS.  I'm sorry, those guys are idiots.

 

[Commando68]

Yeah, I really don't see a big rebellion happening.  Perhaps a few strongholds in the south that will certainly get smoked by a coordinated offensive attack from a trained military force. 

The chameleon strikes in the dark.

[robin48]

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[JPR1959]

Not all of the people living in our country would support a ban of guns. I don't see this as a tipping point for our country, but only one of several possible scenarios.

[Guest Troubadour Patriot]

It's disheartening to truly see the lack moral courage here. We all know what's right. We all know why our founders put the Bill of Rights into the Constitution. We all know the rule of law has been ignored for 150 years. This has been building. It's not something out of the blue. To say you'll just sit back and accept your shackles like a good sheep is morally repugnant to me, at best. I'm truly truly sad for anyone who knows what's right and yet will choose to ignore it out of fear.

 

Not everyone is as fearful and not everyone could live with themselves if they knew what was right and yet chose to ignore..not to act. There are a LOT MORE courageous people in this country than some of you think. As to the Canadian in the comments section, I stand by what I told him. How many of you have spent time in Canada? I have spent a great deal of time there and the fact of the matter is they come from a VERY different lineage than we do. They have a direct lineage back to the crown of England and we fought a bloody war to get AWAY from that crown. Our vantage points aren't even remotely the same. We have INALIENABLE rights from God that no Government can trample upon us legally. Canada, UK or the the EU Constitutions have no such assurances that the people are in charge. Rather, they get their rights granted to them from the Government; at the privilege of the Government. The people ARE Government subjects. In the case of Canada and UK, Subjects of the Crown. (yes the Queen's Gov. General has powers OVER Canadian, Australian and other Governments. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/04/Queens-rep-suspends-Canadian-Parliament/UPI-44831228392970/) Conversely in our Constitution the Government is granted VERY LIMITED privilege. They serve at the people's pleasure. You see the very big difference that sets The United States apart from the rest of the western world? It's subtle, it's under the surface but it's HUGE!

 

I'm an oath keeper. I took the oath in 1990 with the US Army. I have many brothers all over the country who are still in the Military, Federal, local and state law enforcement who take their oaths seriously, and WILL NOT Comply if the confiscation order comes down. You see there has to be a line somewhere. Things have to get to a certain point before men take action. Look at revolutions in Eastern Europe, and coups all over the world and you can see that. Look at our own Revolution and see how many years it took leading up to it. We may have many years to go but don't think for a minute there aren't serious men who would stand against oppression in our country. Obviously these types of actions are a last resort and serious men understand this. Don't fall for the mass media narrative of apathy and defeat. Stand up and be an American when the time comes. Right now there's still time to peacefully stand your ground and tell this government ENOUGH! Enough usurpations of the Constitution and law. Enough enough enough!!

 

It will come down as it ALWAYS does to a small minority standing up for the majority. There are those who will not live under the vision of this country the statists in charge would see implemented. Although i'm let down by some of the comments on this board it's ultimately a reflection of society. Even if you don't believe it, I know there are principled men who are watching and waiting. The Republic has died and at this point we are living outside the bounds of law. Reason dictates that this cannot stand. I simply do not see us going the way of a complete totalitarian state like Soviet Russia, China, etc without a revolution. I'm talking split within the ranks of the Military (Military men are NOT adverse to confrontation or cowardly like much of the general public) and law enforcement and physically removing the cancer. The current path we are on suggests to me that this day is forthcoming. The 2nd Amendment is the line in the sand whether you want to believe it or not. It just is. Yes, most people will turn the guns in. Most people are cowardly sheep. Most people would march into the gas chamber if told to do so by a man with a uniform and a gun. History has taught us these lessons. So what? All it takes is a small percentage of deliberate men to change history. I hope there are a few here among us. I think there are.

Edited December 30, 2012 by Troubadour Patriot

[Guest TNSovereignty]

All it takes is a small percentage of deliberate men to change history. I hope there are a few here among us. I think there are.

Your post is dead-on.  I'm a fellow Oath Keeper.  What we're dealing with is something C.S. Lewis predicted a generation back:

 

“We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.”

And yes, someone who refuses absolutes, ignores our resemblance to socialist tyrannies, compromises principal, and prefers the bliss of historical ignorance, IS a traitor to our republic.

[mikegideon]

Who can predict the numbers? Do I think there will be acts of rebellion? Yes, I do. Will some of those folks have skills? Yes, they will. Does King Peanut Head and his followers see it happening? No, they don't.

 

Destroying a cornerstone of the US Constitution will have consequences. Every patriot is going to deal with that in his own way. I don't see myself as a rogue fighter. Don't see most of the folks I know as one either. But, what everybody needs to realize... it won't take big numbers. Look at the havock the DC snipers caused. Now, multiply that times 0.1% of US gun owners (that's 1 in 1000).

 

Me... I'll just stop helping them with anything. You can screw me, but I'm just gonna lay there. Then, I'm gonna F#ck all your friends. Oh yeah... I'm gonna piss in your coffee EVERY morning.

 

Nobody is going to gather and storm the capital. It will be much uglier.

[Chucktshoes]

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He's checking it twice...

[Guest bkelm18]

It's disheartening to truly see the lack moral courage here.

 

Moral courage and common sense are not the same thing. Common sense dictates that most of the fools in this country will lay at the feet of whatever government is thrown at them. Does that make it right? No. Does that make it any less likely? No. If you think any meaningful number of Americans will have the balls to organize and engage in insurrection against the US Gov't, putting their lives and their family's lives in mortal danger, you've sorely misjudged your fellow citizens. You need to realize that the ultra-conservatives that hang out on gun boards and whatever other "oath-keeping" websites are in the vast minority.

 

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than infringement on the 2nd Amendment to galvanize people to take action. But if chest beating and proclamations of keeping an oath keep you in high spirits, by all means, enjoy it.

 

This talk of "it only takes a handful to change history" is the talk of yesterday. That time has come and gone. Today's world demands more than a handful of people for meaningful change.

Edited December 30, 2012 by bkelm18

[Guest Troubadour Patriot]

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He's checking it twice...

Oooo!! We're SO SCARED! 

[JayC]

Yeah, I really don't see a big rebellion happening.  Perhaps a few strongholds in the south that will certainly get smoked by a coordinated offensive attack from a trained military force. 

 

You're making some poor assumptions...  Who on earth would be stupid enough to get into an open rebellion and try to fight the military in it's battle space?  Have Afghanistan and Iraq not taught you anything?

 

First off large organized groups would be easy targets for both law enforcement and the military...  small groups or lone wolves would be impossible to track down let alone "attack" with traditional military force...  you also have to understand that our military at its best is a hammer...  which is perfect when you have lots of different sized nails out there....  it's not so great when you're swatting at gnats and flies.  If they do managed to pin down a small cell, they'll end up killing a lot of 'innocent' civilians, which in turn will feed more people into the insurgency.

 

Second, they won't start with targeting the military or the police, they'll start with the politicians (both federal and local), staff, federal employees, political supporters, and when that gets too hard, they'll target the family members of those folks.  You realize that only 61% of murders are solved right?  In large cities, those numbers are a lot lower, as low as 36% in Boston for example.  When you back out murders by people the victim knew (spouses, family, business partners, etc) that number drops a lot... How exactly is the military going to stop that?

 

One man and one kid manged to nearly shutdown the DC area for 3 weeks with a Bushmaster rifle that was ill suited for the job, and the only way they got caught?  Because they were looking for money!  And the adult, while prior military was not some special forces expert, or sniper instructor, he was a 88M (truck driver) or more commonly referred to in the military as 'target of opportunity'. 

 

Now imagine what 100, 1,000, 10,000 'gun nuts' could do across this country?  It would be virtually impossible to stop.

 

Insurgencies are really hard things to stop once they start...  look at the IRA for example...  on a small island the size of Arkansas never had more than 200 insurgents...  They had no gun culture, and had to leave the country and sneak back in to get weapons training in Libya...  Using tactics that would be unacceptable in the US it took 40+ years, and they still haven't completely disarmed.

 

And then we have support, while you might only get 100 to 10,000 'gun nuts' going hot, how many more won't lift a finger to help the federal government?  How many will look the other way? How many will 'forget' to pay their taxes?  How many will cause a little havoc here and there? A lot.  

 

So, you call out the military to deal with this threat?  You'd have to there isn't enough man power to protect everybody listed above without the military...  And while a large number of people who own firearms don't have issues with an AWB, a lot of people have a major issue with martial law, you sudden go from having a couple hundred insurgents to having a million or more, because martial law would be a major tipping point.

 

BTW, that is insurgency 101, you want the larger strong force to over react, to cause more collateral damage, and piss off the civilian population more and more...  because it ends up with your insurgency getting more and more recruits and more and more public support.

Edited December 30, 2012 by JayC

[Guest Troubadour Patriot]

Moral courage and common sense are not the same thing. Common sense dictates that most of the fools in this country will lay at the feet of whatever government is thrown at them. Does that make it right? No. Does that make it any less likely? No. If you think any meaningful number of Americans will have the balls to organize and engage in insurrection against the US Gov't, putting their lives and their family's lives in mortal danger, you've sorely misjudged your fellow citizens. You need to realize that the ultra-conservatives that hang out on gun boards and whatever other "oath-keeping" websites are in the vast minority.

 

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than infringement on the 2nd Amendment to galvanize people to take action. But if chest beating and proclamations of keeping an oath keep you in high spirits, by all means, enjoy it.

 

This talk of "it only takes a handful to change history" is the talk of yesterday. That time has come and gone. Today's world demands more than a handful of people for meaningful change.

 

What will you do? Lick Boots? There is no gray area. No middle ground. Either you stand up for principals or you are a coward. There's a hell of a lot more going on than infringement of the 2nd. How about the first, fourth, fifth, seventh, and 10th Amendments to start with. How about the rampant criminal activity of the Government..NDAA, Patriot Act, all Gun Control Laws, Obamacare, The New Deal..on and on and on...No sir. It's not just the 2nd Amendment infringement. It's ALL the unlawful activity of the Government for over 150 years and going after the 2nd is the tipping point. Something you need to remember. The most ARDENT supporters of the 2nd Amendment are Military and Law Enforcement. This will not end well. I do not want what I think is going to happen to happen. I like you, enjoy my life and family but It would destroy me to know what I know and believe what I believe and live with the knowledge that I was too much of a coward to say or do anything about it. To KNOW I was a slave. A subject of a tyrannical oppressive force and I did nothing..Yes, I'm too weak to do anything about it myself but when the groundswell happens and it will happen FAST, you're going to see people come together on the issue and that's what it takes to win. You  need not have a majority. Vietnam and Afghanistan will teach you that you need only a dedicated few. A house divided can not stand and our Nation is the most divided it's been in history except maybe during the civil war. No, something is going to happen and our country will never be the same again. It will happen in the next decade on the outside. 

[Guest Troubadour Patriot]

You're making some poor assumptions...  Who on earth would be stupid enough to get into an open rebellion and try to fight the military in it's battle space?  Have Afghanistan and Iraq not taught you anything?

 

First off large organized groups would be easy targets for both law enforcement and the military...  small groups or lone wolves would be impossible to track down let alone "attack" with traditional military force...  you also have to understand that our military at its best is a hammer...  which is perfect when you have lots of different sized nails out there....  it's not so great when you're swatting at gnats and flies.  If they do managed to pin down a small cell, they'll end up killing a lot of 'innocent' civilians, which in turn will feed more people into the insurgency.

 

Second, they won't start with targeting the military or the police, they'll start with the politicians (both federal and local), staff, federal employees, political supporters, and when that gets too hard, they'll target the family members of those folks.  You realize that only 61% of murders are solved right?  In large cities, those numbers are a lot lower, as low as 36% in Boston for example.  When you back out murders by people the victim knew (spouses, family, business partners, etc) that number drops a lot... How exactly is the military going to stop that?

 

One man and one kid manged to nearly shutdown the DC area for 3 weeks with a Bushmaster rifle that was ill suited for the job, and the only way they got caught?  Because they were looking for money!  And the adult, while prior military was not some special forces expert, or sniper instructor, he was a 88M (truck driver) or more commonly referred to in the military as 'target of opportunity'. 

 

Now imagine what 100, 1,000, 10,000 'gun nuts' could do across this country?  It would be virtually impossible to stop.

 

Insurgencies are really hard things to stop once they start...  look at the IRA for example...  on a small island the size of Arkansas never had more than 200 insurgents...  They had no gun culture, and had to leave the country and sneak back in to get weapons training in Libya...  Using tactics that would be unacceptable in the US it took 40+ years, and they still haven't completely disarmed.

 

And then we have support, while you might only get 100 to 10,000 'gun nuts' going hot, how many more won't lift a finger to help the federal government?  How many will look the other way?  A lot.  

 

So, you call out the military to deal with this threat?  You'd have to there isn't enough man power to protect everybody listed above without the military...  And while a large number of people who own firearms don't have issues with an AWB, a lot of people have a major issue with martial law, you sudden go from having a couple hundred insurgents to having a million or more, because martial law would be a major tipping point.

 

BTW, that is insurgency 101, you want the larger strong force to over react, to cause more collateral damage, and piss off the civilian population more and more...  because it ends up with your insurgency getting more and more recruits and more and more public support.

Exactly. It will be a heck of a lot more than 100-10K "gun nuts" going hot if it does and no amount of Military would be able to stop 1 million..Lots have extensive Military training and 1/2 our active military would not participate..i KNOW IT FOR A FACT.

 

Abolishing the 2nd amendment extra-constitutionally will be the beginning of the end for those who support our republics destruction. 

[mikegideon]

He's making a list,
He's checking it twice...

I said most :)

[Chucktshoes]

He's making a list,
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I said most :)

I knew you'd get it. ;)