Should Bin Laden Be Presumed Innocent

[Guest db99wj]

This was discussed yesterday on Rush Limbaugh. Due to the decision last week from our "Supreme" Court on the right of habeas corpus for terrorists, they discussed if Bin Laden were captured, what then. Is he innocent until proven guilty, does he qualify for the rights of a U.S. citizen, get a slick lawyer, possibly get off by a technicality, or even plead insanity and he would be a free man, so basically Bin Laden would get FULL constitutional rights.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_061808/content/01125110.guest.html

Long read, but interesting nonetheless.

[Guest rj8806]

This was discussed yesterday on Rush Limbaugh. Due to the decision last week from our "Supreme" Court on the right of habeas corpus for terrorists, they discussed if Bin Laden were captured, what then. Is he innocent until proven guilty, does he qualify for the rights of a U.S. citizen, get a slick lawyer, possibly get off by a technicality, or even plead insanity and he would be a free man, so basically Bin Laden would get FULL constitutional rights.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_061808/content/01125110.guest.html

Long read, but interesting nonetheless.

Unfortunately, if you are asking should he as the law reads, then yes. In my mind though, no, he admitted to planning and involvement just as the ones in Guantanamo(sp?) did.

I am still trying to wrap my mind around how the Justices declared that they have "rights" just like U.S. citizens? Listening to Mancow yesterday, he played a clip from a Geraldo interview in which Geraldo agreed with the Supreme Court decisions and was actually arguing to the point of becoming beligerent. He firmly believes that the "prisoners" should have the same rights as you and I. If I were to meet him on the street, I'd love to punch his lights out.

Richard

[saintsfanbrian]

Unfortunately -

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

They are our prisoners and as such are afforded some rights. I don't like it, but they were brought here against their will for committing a crime. We expect them to be bound by our law if and when a trial is conducted and a verdict is handed down then we should uphold our same laws in the treatment of them.

/Devil's advocate

[Guest canynracer]

Unfortunately, if you are asking should he as the law reads, then yes. In my mind though, no, he admitted to planning and involvement just as the ones in Guantanamo(sp?) did.

I am still trying to wrap my mind around how the Justices declared that they have "rights" just like U.S. citizens? Listening to Mancow yesterday, he played a clip from a Geraldo interview in which Geraldo agreed with the Supreme Court decisions and was actually arguing to the point of becoming beligerent. He firmly believes that the "prisoners" should have the same rights as you and I. If I were to meet him on the street, I'd love to punch his lights out.

Richard

been done.....TWICE!!

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[Guest db99wj]

Unfortunately, if you are asking should he as the law reads, then yes. In my mind though, no, he admitted to planning and involvement just as the ones in Guantanamo(sp?) did.

I am still trying to wrap my mind around how the Justices declared that they have "rights" just like U.S. citizens? Listening to Mancow yesterday, he played a clip from a Geraldo interview in which Geraldo agreed with the Supreme Court decisions and was actually arguing to the point of becoming beligerent. He firmly believes that the "prisoners" should have the same rights as you and I. If I were to meet him on the street, I'd love to punch his lights out.

Richard

Yes, thats the thing, the way I understand it, the ruling did just that, gave terrorists the same rights as U.S. Citizens. You would think there would be different rules, a war tribunal or something international or wartime rules, something like that, there might be, I don't know.

[Mike.357]

in regards to bin laden I really do not think he will be captured alive.

I can't even think that is a possibility. Why screw around with a trial or whatnot.

Just get rid of the guy and stick him in an unmarked grave.

[Guest nraforlife]

Unfortunately -

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They are our prisoners and as such are afforded some rights. I don't like it, but they were brought here against their will for committing a crime. We expect them to be bound by our law if and when a trial is conducted and a verdict is handed down then we should uphold our same laws in the treatment of them.

/Devil's advocate

Christ, more frickin vermin in jail for decades sucking up taxpayers money.

I could give a rats rip about them being brought anywhere against their will. Boo frickin hoo, war is hell you know.

[molonlabetn]

He's as innocent as any combatant our soldiers would run across on a battlefield.

[Guest db99wj]

in regards to bin laden I really do not think he will be captured alive.

I can't even think that is a possibility. Why screw around with a trial or whatnot.

Just get rid of the guy and stick him in an unmarked grave.

In essence, I believe this is what this decison has all but guaranteed. If he is found, and delievered to us, he will multiple pieces of lead lodged in various parts of his body.

[Guest Major Pain]

Everyone saw what happened in Colombia with Pablo Escobar when they tried him and found him guilty. He caused more problems in their (his)jail and the drug problems on the street continued. I believe the same would happen with BinLaden. I don't think they intend to take him alive.--MP

[Guest db99wj]

They are discussing this again today, not Rush, some stand in and Bill Sammon.

Here is another point. What is going to happen to all the existing terrorists, or I guess alleged terrorists, Bin Laden or other, when they come to trial, and come to find out, the soldier didn't correctly or did not at all mirandized these combatants?

[Guest Major Pain]

I'm sure the liberals will all be crying to turn them lose.--MP

[Im Neero]

Habeus Corpus isn't the same thing as full rights to a trial by jury, first of all.

Secondly, give him a fair trial. There is more than enough evidence against him. There isn't a lawyer in the world that could get him off. There's no need to eschew procedure to convict Bin Laden.

[Guest Chisum]

I'm sure that if by some act of God we capture Osama alive he will be tried in much the same way as our old friend Sadaam. Sadaam's trial was less about proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt, but more an opportunity for the Iraqi people to face him before we let his feet dangle.

I'm all for the constitution. We can't get all loosy goosy and twist it this way and that to fit our viewpoint at any given time. That what the libs have been working so hard at. We are a nation that has fought time and again for the ideas of justice and equality. Do the Git-mo detainees deserve a trial? Of course they do! The bigger question is how we go about doling out justice without putting our people on the frontline and ourselves in more

danger.

[Guest 270win]

I say hand Osama over to one of those third world countries and let them do the trial to say he had his trial and let them do the execution. Saddam's trial lasted a while, but his appeal didn't!

I seriously doubt Osama will be caught alive. There is an reward out for him right now dead or alive...someone will eventually do the job and get the reward.

[DaveTN]

Hopefully the next time Bin Laden is spotted it will be by a Reaper. Hellfire missiles and laser guided bombs do not hold court.

[Guest chaka]

At least one other person on this forum realizes that recognizing the writ of habeas corpus is not the same as giving full constitutional rights. Believe it or not, the concept pre-dates the US Constitution and should be accessible to even the worst criminals. Even Adolf Eichmann recieved a trial by the state of Israel and he ordered 6 million deaths! Unfortunately "kill em all and let God sort em out" is the mentality that stereotypes all gun owners.

[Guest nraforlife]

I will assume that Bin Laden is innocent until the beastiality charges are proven. Until then he can stay in his caves humping all the camels and sheep he wants.

[enfield]

Bin Laden should be shot on sight, just like a rabid dog. The threat of him appearing in a U.S. courtroom should encourage any would-be captors to aim center mass and fire for effect.