"No-Refusal" checkpoints throughout Tennessee this holiday season

[mav]

I think it would be more correct to say that "driving" a motor vehicle is a privilege; I don't believe that using the roadway is a privilege.

 

We may not have the right to drive but I think it can be argued that we do have the right to travel freely and without undue restrictions from one place to another and since roads are (almost always) paid for by taxes I think the government would have a difficult time saying you can't use them at all. ;)

 

That is correct Robert, and that is what I was inferring.

[RichardR]

You have the right to be stopped & searched, at any time, at any place, for any reason.

If you are innocent, you should have nothing to fear.

All joking aside though, I fear that another large scale domestic terrorist incident will slide us down into that very deep & very dark abyss, the worst part of it will be that "We the People" will be the ones who demand it, mistakenly thinking it will help to keep us safe.

These random check points are one thing, a check point on every street corner is another, baby steps to goose stepping so to speak.

[Clod Stomper]

Let me get this straight....

 

I have no prior DUI.

 

I haven't been involved in a wreck involving injury or death.

 

But my wife will deliver our first child in about a month.  So If a cop pulls me over for "suspicion" of DUI while I have my new baby in the backseat, I can have blood forcibly taken from me and my DNA added to a database? 

 

Because we all KNOW that no LEO would ever pull anyone over under false pretenses.  Right?

[Garufa]

Let me get this straight....

 

I have no prior DUI.

 

I haven't been involved in a wreck involving injury or death.

 

But you can be pulled over or funneled through checkpoints with no cause and searched in our great state on "special" occasions.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

remember that small earthquake in Washington DC a while back?  That was then rolling in their graves.  :D

And the Jefferson Memorial is still rock solid. Thomas sent that quake through the Washington Monument all the way to the White House. Lincoln sat that one out.

[Guest TNdad]

Honestly folks, I just wanted people to know that these sobriety check points, where some questionable behavior by a questionable department of our government, might be taking place. Knowledge is power.

[RichardR]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="TNdad" data-cid="865901" data-time="1356148125"><p>
Honestly folks, I just wanted people to know that these sobriety check points, where some questionable behavior by a questionable department of our government, might be taking place. Knowledge is power.</p></blockquote>

Are you refering to the video of the "road-side cavity searches" that was on Drudge Report the last couple of days?

[dave]

They would probably think their are consequences for breaking the law.

 

Don't want to be arrested and have your blood drawn then don't break the law. Driving on public roadways is not a right it is a priviledge. And that priviledge can be taken away.

 

Dolomite

i would not be too sure about some rights not being taken away,it does appear to be headed in that direction. 

[Dolomite_supafly]

They would probably think their are consequences for breaking the law.

Don't want to be arrested and have your blood drawn then don't break the law. Driving on public roadways is not a right it is a priviledge. And that priviledge can be taken away.

Dolomite

 

i would not be too sure about some rights not being taken away,it does appear to be headed in that direction. 

Huh???

 

I am talking about driving drunk on a public road. If you are doing that then you should loose that priviledge. And that has nothing to do with rights as driving on a public road is a priviledge, not a right.

 

Dolomite

[RichardR]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Dolomite_supafly" data-cid="865938" data-time="1356150765"><p>
Huh???<br />
<br />
I am talking about driving drunk on a public road. If you are doing that then you should loose that priviledge. And that has nothing to do with rights as driving on a public road is a priviledge, not a right.<br />
<br />
Dolomite</p></blockquote>

An Avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. –Thomas Paine

[RichardR]

Bleh, why is everything I try to quote coming out all garbled?

[RobertNashville]

Let me get this straight....

 

I have no prior DUI.

 

I haven't been involved in a wreck involving injury or death.

 

But my wife will deliver our first child in about a month.  So If a cop pulls me over for "suspicion" of DUI while I have my new baby in the backseat, I can have blood forcibly taken from me and my DNA added to a database? 

 

Because we all KNOW that no LEO would ever pull anyone over under false pretenses.  Right?

No, that is not "right"...you might want to read the actual law posted above.

[Hershmeister]

[quote name='RichardR' timestamp='1356151440' post='865944']Bleh, why is everything I try to quote coming out all garbled?[/quote] Been hitting the bottle? Hope you don't get stopped at a checkpoint !

[Il Duce]

Too much tin foil on this site sometimes

[NRA]

way too much

[Dolomite_supafly]

I wish I had stock in Alcoa. I might be able to retire.

 

Speaking of tin foil I will tell a funny story.

When I was in Alabama we used to get a call into the station by a young man. Now this young man had "issues" and would call in once a month wanting to know where his replacement radio was. He would go into a story about how radiation had ruined his radio and someone agreed to replace it for him. We would always tell him the same thing, it should be there next month, then he would thank us and get off the phone. Well one time when he called in one of the officers was talking to him and said if we shipped him a new radio the radiation would just mess it up as well. The young man became worried and asked how to prevent that. The officer said to use tin foil as a shield. Well a few hours later we got a call from this guy's mother and she was really upset. Apparently the guy went out and bought a bunch of tin foil. He wrapped his entire trailer in tin foil. I never got to see it but I always laugh when I think about it.

 

Ok one more.

Same station we would have "Crazy Mary" call in every so often. She went looney after loosing her husband. Her husband worked as an engineer on some government projects before his death. Then after his mysterious, according to her, death she went crazy. She swore the government had installed "poppers" in her body to track her movements and thoughts. She said she would use tin foil to hide herself from those who were monitoring her. I had talked to her on several occassions and she was the nicest old lady you could ever talk to even though the conversation was a bit weird. All of us at the station had felt like we knew her well and on those boring nights her call would give us a much needed escape from boredom. Well at one point someone invited her down to the station to meet all of us in person. It took a few days but then someone said there was a lady there to meet a few of us. As I walked in I knew exactly who it was. It had to be Mary because she had a ball of aluminum foil, the size of a very large afro you might see in the 70's, surrounding her head. She was dressed like any elderly women that is except the aluminum afro. We all sat around and spoke to her for a bit and then she left. I managed to keep a straight face until she left then almost pissed myself I laughed so hard. Not sure why but we never got another call from her and I always wondered what happened to crazy Mary.

 

Dolomite

[Clod Stomper]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="RobertNashville" data-cid="865982" data-time="1356162487"><p>
No, that is not "right"...you might want to read the actual law posted above.</p></blockquote>

I read the law. And you're right, I don't know where I came up with a DNA database. Mea Culpa.

However much tinfoil-hat-wearing there may be on this site, I think it's more prudent to be overly suspicious of government than not suspicious enough. I see as much of that as I do paranoia.

[vontar]

I am pretty sure it is not done on the side of the street.  One could only image the lawsuit if unsafe medical practice lead to infection.

 

I have heard local officers take them to a hospital to have blood taken.

 

I remember a few weeks ago a big deal was made about them having a judge on stand by to sign warrants if the person did not volunteer a sample.

 

 

If you want to worry about DNA samples being taken.

 

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech-technology-and-liberty-womens-rights/newborn-dna-banking

Edited December 22, 2012 by vontar

[Dolomite`s Breezy]

FFS.....

If you do not drive  drunk.. why worry about it ?

One would think it would be in the best interest fo all people to get the drunks off the street..

But that doesnt affect anyone until someones kid/wife/mother or other loved one gets killed by a DUI..

 

 

And its not done on the side of the road.. they will take you to a hospital to get blood drawn.

And if someone wanted your DNA.. they certainly do not need to draw blood from you..

[DaveTN]

An Avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. –Thomas Paine

If you drive drunk in our state we are going to put you in jail.
- The legislatures of most states with support from most of their Citizens.

[RobertNashville]

I read the law. And you're right, I don't know where I came up with a DNA database. Mea Culpa.

However much tinfoil-hat-wearing there may be on this site, I think it's more prudent to be overly suspicious of government than not suspicious enough. I see as much of that as I do paranoia.

I wasn't really talking about DNA  but that too. :)

 

For LEO in TN to require blood of a driver under arrested for DUI without a warrant (I believe they've always been able to draw blood with a warrant) the driver must either already have a prior DUI conviction or there must be at least one child under 16 years of age is in the vehicle at the time of the arrest.

 

Now, if you have a new baby in your vehicle and an officer believers you may be impaired then yes, he can require a blood test but if you aren't drinking or aren't acting like you are impaired then I truly believe the chance of running into an officer who is going to do this is pretty remote. Further, if you haven't been drinking then a blood test will show that won't it?

 

I think some of us really is venturing a bit too far into tin foil hat time...there have ALWAYS been some bad cops out there but most of them aren't and I don't think we need to spend a lot of time worrying about those few who are...besides, what can you do about it anyway; it's like being overly worried about being struck by lightning. ;)

Edited December 22, 2012 by RobertNashville

[strickj]

they will take you to a hospital to get blood drawn.

Some will draw blood at jails. Most hospitals/labs will have dedicated  venipuncturists (right term?) that work outside of the hospital/lab exclusively.

Edited December 22, 2012 by strickj

[Pain103]

Some will draw blood at jails. Most hospitals/labs will have dedicated  venipuncturists (right term?) that work outside of the hospital/lab exclusively.

That's a $5 dollar word.

[mikegideon]

That's a $5 dollar word.

Don't tell him that! He paid $20 :)

[Dolomite_supafly]

I believe the corect term for the person drawing blood would be phlebotomist.

 

Dolomite