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So with everything happening at the moment, it got me thinking that being on the NFA registry and opening myself to the search parameters of the ATF is probably not worth the hassle of having one SBR. I'd just rather withdraw my application before it gets any further (No tinfoil :))  and keep my pistol status.

 BTW - my app was sent in November and is pending. I was expecting to get it back at the soonest in March.

 

Two questions:

1. Is it really something to be concerned about or not?

2. What's the best way to go about this if I decide to follow through with my withdraw?

 

Its not so much a tinfoil issue as a legal issue if things were to get worse. I mean the gun is already the evilest of evil AK's. A short, high capacity, killing machine, Draco! ;)

 

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So with everything happening at the moment, it got me thinking that being on the NFA registry and opening myself to the search parameters of the ATF is probably not worth the hassle of having one SBR.

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If you're pending, you're already in their database anyway.    Worst of both worlds.    If it were me, I think I might let it proceed. 

TGO David
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When I built my SBR I went into it assuming I never would want to sell it later.  I still can't imagine wanting to.  If you're thinking you might want to get rid of it later, it's probably not the rig

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I wouldn't worry. I'm not naive enough to think that there isn't a way for the feds to (try) to take away my guns if they ever really decided to do that. Being on yet another government database isn't going to change anything. As to how to withdraw your application I'm not sure how to go about that. I wouldn't count on my $200 ever making it back though.

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So with everything happening at the moment, it got me thinking that being on the NFA registry and opening myself to the search parameters of the ATF is probably not worth the hassle of having one SBR. I'd just rather withdraw my application before it gets any further (No tinfoil :))  and keep my pistol status.
 BTW - my app was sent in November and is pending. I was expecting to get it back at the soonest in March.
 
Two questions:
1. Is it really something to be concerned about or not?
2. What's the best way to go about this if I decide to follow through with my withdraw?
 
Its not so much a tinfoil issue as a legal issue if things were to get worse. I mean the gun is already the evilest of evil AK's. A short, high capacity, killing machine, Draco! ;)

I actually thought about that myself. I was getting ready to send one and decided to hold off.
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You can write a letter to the branch stating you wish to cancel the form.  Same mailing address and attention as you sent your Form 1s to...  Even after it's been approved you still have a short while to cancel so you'll be fine. As long as you haven't "made" anything and it's a reasonable amount of time, understanding once you have your stamp that timeframe will be expected to be very short... You can always change your mind and they will eventually send you back a refund.

 

As far as databases go, I concur, the NFA registery would be the least of my worries.

 

Good luck,

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If you're pending, you're already in their database anyway. 

 

Worst of both worlds. 

 

If it were me, I think I might let it proceed. 

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They CANNOT just come and do an inspection of a private residence. They still MUST have probably cause to get a search warrant and to do that they must have evidence to support a search warrant. They have to follow the letter of law just like any other LE agency when it comes to search warrants. And unless you ARE breaking the law they would have no reason to apply for a search warrant.

 

How do I know this? Because I asked.

 

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They CANNOT just come and do an inspection of a private residence. They still MUST have probably cause to get a search warrant and to do that they must have evidence to support a search warrant. They have to follow the letter of law just like any other LE agency when it comes to search warrants. And unless you ARE breaking the law they would have no reason to apply for a search warrant.

 

How do I know this? Because I asked.

 

Dolomite

True....but I think what they can currently do and what they may be able to do in the future might be two very different things; at least if they have their way with all the gun control/gun garbing measures Obama is salivating over right now.

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So with everything happening at the moment, it got me thinking that being on the NFA registry and opening myself to the search parameters of the ATF is probably not worth the hassle of having one SBR. I'd just rather withdraw my application before it gets any further (No tinfoil :))  and keep my pistol status.

 BTW - my app was sent in November and is pending. I was expecting to get it back at the soonest in March.

 

Two questions:

1. Is it really something to be concerned about or not?

2. What's the best way to go about this if I decide to follow through with my withdraw?

 

Its not so much a tinfoil issue as a legal issue if things were to get worse. I mean the gun is already the evilest of evil AK's. A short, high capacity, killing machine, Draco! ;)

 

 

They CANNOT just come and do an inspection of a private residence. They still MUST have probably cause to get a search warrant and to do that they must have evidence to support a search warrant. They have to follow the letter of law just like any other LE agency when it comes to search warrants. And unless you ARE breaking the law they would have no reason to apply for a search warrant.

 

How do I know this? Because I asked.

 

Dolomite

Don't know what this has to do with my question, but thanks?

Smith Postus Maximus

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Dolomite please refer to Roberts post. No your response was not relevant.

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TrickyNicky Prolific Contributor

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Not sure I'd be overly concerned, I guess any things possible but is say if anything NFA items might be harder/more expensive to get into in the future. I guess I just don't see a round up type confiscation happening?
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Not so concerned with a gun round up or search ATM, but if things were to change (laws change) it would make sense that the first list they would start with is the NFA list. I could also see that if grandfathering wasn't allowed that it could be conceivable that a warrant could be gained simply for being on the NFA list if there is no other record of it being disposed.

 

I don't see this happening quickly, but I was just wondering if it was worth the risk for one SBR that works just as well as a pistol. Also the ability to sell it later could be a problem.

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Not so concerned with a gun round up or search ATM, but if things were to change (laws change) it would make sense that the first list they would start with is the NFA list. I could also see that if grandfathering wasn't allowed that it could be conceivable that a warrant could be gained simply for being on the NFA list if there is no other record of it being disposed.

 

I don't see this happening quickly, but I was just wondering if it was worth the risk for one SBR that works just as well as a pistol. Also the ability to sell it later could be a problem.

Sounds like you have your mind made up. I'm keeping mine in and not going to give in to speculation ATM. I'll deal with the issue when or if it comes down to that. But if it does, having a class III item will be the least of our worries.

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Smith Postus Maximus

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Sounds like you have your mind made up. I'm keeping mine in and not going to give in to speculation ATM. I'll deal with the issue when or if it comes down to that. But if it does, having a class III item will be the least of our worries.

Actually I'm leaning more towards leaving it alone and getting the SBR done. The whole confiscation/search thing is relatively secondary concern as has been pointed out a lot would have to happen between now and then.

 

I was thinking more about if I wanted to sell it or do something else with it down the road it might be a little more difficult.  As we've seen the ATF can change their "interpretation" on laws at the drop of a hat (like with the once a rifle always a rifle thing) and could easily "interpret" it a less helpful way. Just my thoughts.

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Actually I'm leaning more towards leaving it alone and getting the SBR done. The whole confiscation/search thing is relatively secondary concern as has been pointed out a lot would have to happen between now and then.

 

I was thinking more about if I wanted to sell it or do something else with it down the road it might be a little more difficult.  As we've seen the ATF can change their "interpretation" on laws at the drop of a hat (like with the once a rifle always a rifle thing) and could easily "interpret" it a less helpful way. Just my thoughts.

You mean the government would be less helpful? I wouldn't sweat it though but that's just me. I've always been the kind to do something and deal with it down the road. Good or bad quality? To be determined. :)

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All this stuff happening is what made my mind up on a suppressor. After I get my SDN-6 paperwork back I'm sure I'll be putting in another form 4 for a .22 can!! If they want something being on one more list isn't going to help them find you any easier...

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All this stuff happening is what made my mind up on a suppressor. After I get my SDN-6 paperwork back I'm sure I'll be putting in another form 4 for a .22 can!! If they want something being on one more list isn't going to help them find you any easier...

Why wait? Get that puppy started now! I'm fired up about my .22 can.

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TGO David Postus Maximus

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When I built my SBR I went into it assuming I never would want to sell it later.  I still can't imagine wanting to.  If you're thinking you might want to get rid of it later, it's probably not the right thing for you to invest in.

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