For those of you who support the NRA....

[Guest TNSovereignty]

The NRA has gotten MUCH better since 1994.  And the reason the NRA has gotten better is because the members told it to get better.  In 1994, the NRA helped write the AW bill and the Brady Act.  The flak they got over that is still a sore spot with the leadership.

 

In 1994, 'ugly guns' were not something the NRA was going to really fight for.  And just mentioning the words 'National Firearms Act' caused Wayne LaPierre to run away as fast as he could at the 2000 National Convention in Charlotte.  This year at the convention in St Louis, he did NOT run away.  He made no promises, aside from admitting that US v. Miller was a bad decision.  Still, that's a HUGE leap forward from Charlotte.

 

They have made a lot of progress.  And it's because the membership has insisted on it.  I'm still pushing for the NRA to get ANY gun law repealed as that is something they have never done.  But, I feel confident that as long as we keep making noise, it will eventually happen.

Thanks for that background.  I left the NRA for the GOA in the early 90s ... now you're making me think I need to support both.  

 

 

It's generally better to compromise than to die...not always; but usually.

Put another way, ask the question "is THIS the hill you want to die on?"...if it is then dig in, make your peace with God and go for it. If it isn't THAT hill then negotiate.

Good point.  A third way is to circumvent the damn hill.  Compromise definitely has its place as long as creeping relativism doesn't trump one's absolutes ... that's for every man to decide.  

[RobertNashville]

...Good point.  A third way is to circumvent the damn hill.  Compromise definitely has its place as long as creeping relativism doesn't trump one's absolutes ... that's for every man to decide.  

:) I can't wait until you read the comment I just made to you in another thread. :)

[BrasilNuts]

So, in your opinion Robert, what should we be willing to give up?

 

Hi-cap mags?

 

Semi-automatic rifles?

 

Semi-automatic pistols?

 

 

[RobertNashville]

So, in your opinion Robert, what should we be willing to give up?
 
Hi-cap mags?
 
Semi-automatic rifles?
 
Semi-automatic pistols?

I'm not telling you or anyone else what they have to or should be willing to give up.

 

If you believe compromise is that bad then the question you need to ask yourself is how willing are you to not compromise at all and wind up with NOTHING?

 

Whatever the answer to that question is; go for it.

Edited December 18, 2012 by RobertNashville

[mikegideon]

The NRA is the ONLY group that accomplishes meaningful work at a national level. Personally, I think they do a good job in that climate. May not get everything I want, but have yet to find another planet that offers that option.

[BrasilNuts]

I'm not telling you or anyone else what they have to or should be willing to give up.

I never said you were telling anybody anything.

 

I just asked for your opinion.

 

Care to give it?

[BrasilNuts]

If you believe compromise is that good then the question you need to ask yourself is how willing are you to compromise all and wind up with NOTHING?

Edited December 18, 2012 by BrasilNuts

[RobertNashville]

I never said you were telling anybody anything.
 
I just asked for your opinion.
 
Care to give it?

What I would of wouldn't be willing to "give up" is immaterial in a hypothetical situation; especially a situation with no underlying information or details presented.

 

More to the point, you seemed to make it very clear above that you don't believe any compromise should be entertained (based on your Law Dog post)...if so, I can't see any possible reason you would want me to answer your question and give my opinion other than to have some hay to make hay bails out out of so no, I'm don't care to give it.

Edited December 18, 2012 by RobertNashville

[BrasilNuts]

What you have left after todays compromise will be sacrificed on the alter of compromise in the future.  

 

It may not be you, it may be your children or grandchildren, but it will be given up in the name of compromise as well.

 

Their ultimate goal is to totally disarm every citizen in the United States.

 

Where is the compromise in that?

[RobertNashville]

What you have left after todays compromise will be sacrificed on the alter of compromise in the future.  

 

It may not be you, it may be your children or grandchildren, but it will be given up in the name of compromise as well.

 

Their ultimate goal is to totally disarm every citizen in the United States.

 

Where is the compromise in that?

Why do you want to keep on about this...do you not think I or others understand that you don't like compromise???

If you don't want to compromise then don't compromise; not I or anyone else has said you should never do so; all I've just suggested that you do so with deliberation and an understanding of the consequences; is that really such a bad idea?

 

While you are pontificating about compromise, what have you actually done lately to keep from coming to that point?

 

Are you a member of any pro-2A organizations?  More than just a member, have you contributed $$$ or time to their legislative actions?  Do you know your state and federal elected representatives enough to call them with your concerns?  Do they know you?  Do you support good candidates with your $$$ and time?

 

You can rail about compromise all you want but I don't see how that helps anything.  :shrug:

[Guest TNSovereignty]

I think we must also tread carefully as we consider compromising as individuals without consideration of cascading impacts on the citizenry as a whole.  Our enemies have a superb record of divide & conquer strategy.  Another history lesson:

 

 

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.  Martin-Niemöller

 

Today's version might start off - First they came for the .50BMGs, and I didn't speak out because I didn't have one.

[Guest CCI]

Joined the NRA this morning, and subscription to American Rifleman!

 

If there are members on the forum , who do not belong to the NRA. I hope they will join and become members of the NRA! 

[Clod Stomper]

So? Were you living in Maryland at the time?  What was the political climate at the time (i.e. was something going to be passed whether the NRA got involved or not)? Do we really want to only have gun-hating liberals writing gun control laws or do we want some involvement from groups that may have another opinion/goal?

 

Not compromise?

 

Really?

 

Not compromising always sounds tough...the reality is that without compromise the one not willing to do so gets NOTHING.  We appear to have had a couple of million conservative voters sit out the last election because they weren't willing to compromise because Romney wasn't enough of "this" or wasn't enough of "that" or wasn't Ron Paul (at least that's the conventional wisdom in hindsight)...how's that lack of compromise working out so far? :screwy:

 

By the way, were I a woman and I knew I was about to be raped you are damn right I'd want the rapist to wear a condom.

I hate to disagree with you, but I say "Yes, really, no compromise".  When the opposition proposes banning ALL guns and we compromise and say "Let's just ban these features", we lose.  When they come back again and want to ban all guns, we compromise and say "Well, let's just ban these certain guns", we lose.  That's not compromising, that's losing a little bit at a time.  

 

A real compromise would be saying "Ok, we'll agree to background checks at gun shows if you take suppressors out of the NFA '34".  THAT is compromise.  When each side gets something they want.

 

For the record, I did vote for Romney even though he wasn't my first choice as nominee.  That's compromise.

 

And finally, if I were a woman and were about to be raped, I'd want to have a pistol in my hand so I could blow the rapist's brains all over the landscape.  But we're about to compromise away our ability to do that.

 

Respectfully,

 

Will

[RobertNashville]

I hate to disagree with you, but I say "Yes, really, no compromise".  When the opposition proposes banning ALL guns and we compromise and say "Let's just ban these features", we lose.  When they come back again and want to ban all guns, we compromise and say "Well, let's just ban these certain guns", we lose.  That's not compromising, that's losing a little bit at a time.  
 
A real compromise would be saying "Ok, we'll agree to background checks at gun shows if you take suppressors out of the NFA '34".  THAT is compromise.  When each side gets something they want.
 
For the record, I did vote for Romney even though he wasn't my first choice as nominee.  That's compromise.
 
And finally, if I were a woman and were about to be raped, I'd want to have a pistol in my hand so I could blow the rapist's brains all over the landscape.  But we're about to compromise away our ability to do that.
 
Respectfully,
 
Will

Yeah; I'd rather have a pistol too but that wasn't part of the scenario I was given to work with.

We'll just have to disagree on the rest.

[Dennis1209]

I, like many of you here don't agree with any compromise what-so-ever when it comes down to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! However, in the real world it's never all or nothing. When you talk our form of law, politics, compromise, emotion, knee jerk reaction, the left and the right come into play. There's never any absolutes in our Constitutional Republic anymore.

 

I also believe GOA is a much better organization to protect our 2nd Amendment rights, however... The NRA is mammoth in members and funds compared to GOA. The NRA is a for profit money making business and squanders millions in donated funds that don't benefit our rights. An organization that has tens of millions of dollars spent on a museum and envious gun collection it's members may not share in to name a couple.

 

All in all, in the end it behoves us all to be NRA members, as they have influence in numbers / campaign dollars and press with many politicians. Although not perfect as stated numerous times above, we have all benefited from their actions and work.

 

Just my take folks?

[eRay]

If they get semi automatic rifles and hi cap mags today, They will be after semi auto pistols tomorrow. When they get them they will be after shotguns then revolvers. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all guns. Everytime we compromise, we are moving them one step closer to that goal.

[eRay]

If they get semi automatic rifles and hi cap mags today, They will be after semi auto pistols tomorrow. When they get them they will be after shotguns then revolvers. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all guns. Everytime we compromise, we are moving them one step closer to that goal.

[BrasilNuts]

Why do you want to keep on about this...do you not think I or others understand that you don't like compromise???

Didn't you get the memo Robert?

Compromise is the word of the day and I bet we'll be hearing it a lot more in the future.

If anyone got past my first post and didn't figure out I was against compromise when it comes to gun control then I can't really help them.

It's not about my unwillingness to compromise it's about your willingness to compromise.

If you don't want to compromise then don't compromise; not I or anyone else has said you should never do so; all I've just suggested that you do so with deliberation and an understanding of the consequences; is that really such a bad idea?

If you want to compromise then compromise; not I or anyone else has said you should never do so; all I've just suggested that you do so with deliberation and an understanding of the consequences; is that really such a bad idea?

See what I did there?


Look, I know when it comes down to it you and I are on the same team.

To me when someone mentions compromise and gun control together that means the types of firearms I use and enjoy, AR-15 and semi-auto pistol, are going to get sacrificed so other firearms users can hunt with their rifles or shotguns.

All to often you hear some politician or talking head say "I support 2A, people should be allowed hunt" and then the go on about restricting certain firearms.

They are going to divide firearms users and the hunters are going to give up certain types of firearms so they will be allowed to keep their "hunting" firearms.

Once that happens it's only a matter of time before those "hunting" firearms are taken too.

I can just hear it now...

Elmer Fudd: "You can't take my shotgun I use that for hunting wabbits!"

Gun Grabber: "Where in the 2A does it say anything about your right to hunt? Now give me your sniper rifle and assault shotgun! If you want to hunt go sharpen a stick."

Gun Grabber: thinking to self.... "Research legislation for sharp stick control." Edited December 19, 2012 by BrasilNuts

[Guest sventvkg]

Sad...Just sad to see.....THERE IS NO COMPROMISE ON OUR RIGHTS!!!!!......This is why we are here today...No worries because once i get so bad they are killing Patriots it shall all be rectified. Guess it's inevitable that it had to get to this point up to the tipping point that is now appearing on the Horizon. Resist Tyranny. 

[Guest sventvkg]

If they get semi automatic rifles and hi cap mags today, They will be after semi auto pistols tomorrow. When they get them they will be after shotguns then revolvers. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all guns. Everytime we compromise, we are moving them one step closer to that goal.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU....

[Oh Shoot]

I also believe GOA is a much better organization to protect our 2nd Amendment rights....

 

Soon as it appears on web, check out Larry Pratt's appearance on Piers Morgan tonight. He was on a fool's errand, and should have known it before he ever agreed to appear.

 

 

The NRA is a for profit money making business and squanders millions in donated funds that don't benefit our rights.

 

Whatever you may feel about their priority in spending money, the NRA is a non-profit 501-C-4 organization.

 

The NRA Foundation is a non-profit 501-C-3 tax-exempt organization

 

- OS

Edited December 19, 2012 by Oh Shoot

[mikegideon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RDWltHxRc

 

Well crap! It's a video

Edited December 19, 2012 by mikegideon

[Commando68]

I hate to disagree with you, but I say "Yes, really, no compromise".  When the opposition proposes banning ALL guns and we compromise and say "Let's just ban these features", we lose.  When they come back again and want to ban all guns, we compromise and say "Well, let's just ban these certain guns", we lose.  That's not compromising, that's losing a little bit at a time.  
 
A real compromise would be saying "Ok, we'll agree to background checks at gun shows if you take suppressors out of the NFA '34".  THAT is compromise.  When each side gets something they want.
 
For the record, I did vote for Romney even though he wasn't my first choice as nominee.  That's compromise.
 
And finally, if I were a woman and were about to be raped, I'd want to have a pistol in my hand so I could blow the rapist's brains all over the landscape.  But we're about to compromise away our ability to do that.
 
Respectfully,
 
Will

Very,Very well said sir. Now that is what we need. Pushing back!

[RobertNashville]

Didn't you get the memo Robert?

You can be an uncompromising as you want - just let me know how that works out for you. ;)

Edited December 19, 2012 by RobertNashville

[RobertNashville]

Sad...Just sad to see.....THERE IS NO COMPROMISE ON OUR RIGHTS!!!!!......This is why we are here today...No worries because once i get so bad they are killing Patriots it shall all be rectified. Guess it's inevitable that it had to get to this point up to the tipping point that is now appearing on the Horizon. Resist Tyranny. 

Have you joined the NRA yet? The GOA? The TFA? The USCCA?

 

Have you written a letter...made a phone call...donated money to any of the PACs of those organizations?

 

Have you donated money to the campaigns of good candidates? Made a phone call for them? Knocked on doors for them?

 

Have you run for office?  Sat in on a legislative committee hearing?

 

Have you done anything other than rag on Tennessee's firearms laws and rant on the internet about "not compromising our rights"???

 

 

Now of course, I realize that most of us poor schlepers haven't gotten where you, in the "patriot community" who study this, are in your "analysis" of the current situation...

 

...I know most of you haven't gotten here yet in your analysis. That's why those of us in the patriot community who study this stuff full time refer to ourselves as III percent-ors. I really don't care if you believe this or now but I KNOW you'll eventually get it.

 

but maybe you should stop analyzing full time and spend a little bit of time actually do something constructive. ;)

Edited December 19, 2012 by RobertNashville