Connecticut school shooting

[Oh Shoot]

What exactly is this "new background check" that he passed? I thought that for the most part all check were the same. Is that not the case?

 

If you mean CT, no more private sales, everything requires 4473.

 

- OS

[RED333]

A year later, and yet another school shooting and in Colorado to boot. Nothing has changed since Sandyhook  to protect our children!

 

Dave

An armed officer stopped it, something did come out good from Sandy Hook.

[DaveTN]

An armed officer stopped it, something did come out good from Sandy Hook.

What’s that have to do with Sand Hook; we had SRO’s at my High School in the 70’s?

[DaveS]

I understand that every student can't be ran through metal detectors when coming in the school first thing in the morning. Most of the problems I see is after classes start and the exterior entry doors are locked. At that point, there has to be away to stop a person from coming into that school with a shotgun or AR or deer rifle or whatever. I agree to armed staff, what I don't agree with is how easy it is to walk through those doors armed.

 

DaveTN; no disrespect taken. I do not want to see anyone lose their rights. That was not my intent. Disarming the bad guy at the door is. Most schools here have 2 SRO's. I'm not going to post here where they are or what they do. One in the parking lot can't stop anything inside. One inside isn't where he needs to be in my opinion.

 

Very little can be done to protect the kids outside of the school. Someone made the comment about shootings in the mall. We choose to go to the mall and accept all inherent risks and dangers of doing so. The State, County and City requires our children to attend school with no choice (except maybe home schooling), and they should be able to do so without fear, and the same government has the responsibility to keep them safe.

 

Maybe I just don't understand, and the schools are doing all that can be done. But I still ask myself how these punks get into the school with long arms. I guess I'll have to wait until the movies come out....

 

Dave

Edited December 17, 2013 by DaveS

[Worriedman]

What’s that have to do with Sand Hook; we had SRO’s at my High School in the 70’s?

You must have lived in a tough neighborhood, we got to keep our shotguns in the back windows of our pickup trucks in the 70's.

[Paladin132]

A recent study actually showed that most school shootings are conducted by students during the school day and by gang members. Folks we must concentrate on the reason we have those who want to visit violence on others, and the privy of self defense as a human right. We will never make things secure. Look at prisons. Many are very "secure" if you consider escape but not if you are inside and targeted by a predator. I, for one, do not want our schools to look like a secure facility with concertina wire and guard towers. Many references are made here about metal detectors. That is all well and good but they are rarely used and maintained as they are supposed to be. Weather change? You have to recalibrate most of those bad boys. Does anyone? No. Focus on the cause. It would make sense socially, criminologically, economically, and constitutionally. Just my two cents.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If this is going to be so big a deal, shut the schools down. Board of Education goes and replaces every school it can

and spends a few million more each time. Curricula tends to be sliding down the gutter more each year(been doing

that for years) Parental involvement is probably on another planet. Now the screwed up student comes back in and

starts shooting? Hey, pull up a chair and watch. Take your morals, your God, implant your bullshit politics and

propagandize the kids with a bunch of lies. Forget history, Teach them of Saint Rachael Carson, Margaret Sanger

and that there is no such person as George Washington. Who is that town named after? I don't know.

 

You have a partially blooming nanny-state. Wait until this becomes a daily occurrence, DaveS. We're spending so much

money on schools and this is the reward? What a better reason to shut down this public school system and do something

different.

 

It isn't even the money being spent that is the problem. It's the idea that you can throw money at a problem and somehow it

goes away. And our education system is how low, compared to other countries? We're the fools allowing this to continue.

 

We're creating monsters.

[TMF]

I understand that every student can't be ran through metal detectors when coming in the school first thing in the morning. Most of the problems I see is after classes start and the exterior entry doors are locked. At that point, there has to be away to stop a person from coming into that school with a shotgun or AR or deer rifle or whatever. I agree to armed staff, what I don't agree with is how easy it is to walk through those doors armed.
 
DaveTN; no disrespect taken. I do not want to see anyone lose their rights. That was not my intent. Disarming the bad guy at the door is. Most schools here have 2 SRO's. I'm not going to post here where they are or what they do. One in the parking lot can't stop anything inside. One inside isn't where he needs to be in my opinion.
 
Very little can be done to protect the kids outside of the school. Someone made the comment about shootings in the mall. We choose to go to the mall and accept all inherent risks and dangers of doing so. The State, County and City requires our children to attend school with no choice (except maybe home schooling), and they should be able to do so without fear, and the same government has the responsibility to keep them safe.
 
Maybe I just don't understand, and the schools are doing all that can be done. But I still ask myself how these punks get into the school with long arms. I guess I'll have to wait until the movies come out....
 
Dave

You need to understand, most schools don't have a "front door". My high school was all open air. You can walk on from anywhere. You can't secure that unless you put up walls with triple strand concertina wire and limited access points with armed guards. It won't happen.

Yes, kids should be safe in school, but there is no way to guarantee that. You don't have to send your kids there. You can homeschool or send them to private school.

[GlockSpock]

You need to understand, most schools don't have a "front door". My high school was all open air. You can walk on from anywhere. You can't secure that unless you put up walls with triple strand concertina wire and limited access points with armed guards. It won't happen.

Yes, kids should be safe in school, but there is no way to guarantee that. You don't have to send your kids there. You can homeschool or send them to private school.

Yep, and the architectural design of most schools is lots and lots of glass. It sure is pretty!

A recent study actually showed that most school shootings are conducted by students during the school day and by gang members. Folks we must concentrate on the reason we have those who want to visit violence on others, and the privy of self defense as a human right. We will never make things secure. Look at prisons. Many are very "secure" if you consider escape but not if you are inside and targeted by a predator. I, for one, do not want our schools to look like a secure facility with concertina wire and guard towers. Many references are made here about metal detectors. That is all well and good but they are rarely used and maintained as they are supposed to be. Weather change? You have to recalibrate most of those bad boys. Does anyone? No. Focus on the cause. It would make sense socially, criminologically, economically, and constitutionally. Just my two cents.

Pay it Forward shows how metal detectors can be bypassed.

[Guest carter]

You must have lived in a tough neighborhood, we got to keep our shotguns in the back windows of our pickup trucks in the 70's.

 

i'm a NC boy... we had a shooting team starting in middle school and going up thru high school... had to supply all of our own gear of course, and i brought my shotgun to school on meet days...heck we even practiced with our bows beside one building... i shot .22 target, bow, and trap... never once was there any issues 

[RobertNashville]

I understand that every student can't be ran through metal detectors when coming in the school first thing in the morning. Most of the problems I see is after classes start and the exterior entry doors are locked. At that point, there has to be away to stop a person from coming into that school with a shotgun or AR or deer rifle or whatever. I agree to armed staff, what I don't agree with is how easy it is to walk through those doors armed.

 

DaveTN; no disrespect taken. I do not want to see anyone lose their rights. That was not my intent. Disarming the bad guy at the door is. Most schools here have 2 SRO's. I'm not going to post here where they are or what they do. One in the parking lot can't stop anything inside. One inside isn't where he needs to be in my opinion.

 

Very little can be done to protect the kids outside of the school. Someone made the comment about shootings in the mall. We choose to go to the mall and accept all inherent risks and dangers of doing so. The State, County and City requires our children to attend school with no choice (except maybe home schooling), and they should be able to do so without fear, and the same government has the responsibility to keep them safe.

 

Maybe I just don't understand, and the schools are doing all that can be done. But I still ask myself how these punks get into the school with long arms. I guess I'll have to wait until the movies come out....

 

Dave

Dave,

 

I agree with your sentiments...with what you are seeking. The problem is that what you seek simply isn't possible because what you really want to do is stop evil and that's impossible.

 

It doesn't matter what steps are put in place or how much money is spent...you could place an armed SRO with every single student...provide Secret Level 24/7 security at every school for every student and while you might slow evil down you will never stop it...you'll never stop it for the same reason why there will still be murders and other violence if you destroyed every weapon of every kind that currently exists and ban the creation of new ones...evil will find a way to do evil things.

 

I'm truly sorry that this incident happened just as I'm sorry that any other mass shooting has happened...just as I am anytime an innocent person is killed or severely injured because of the evil actions of another but I also know that I can't stop it.

 

I carry a weapon for SD...I try to be aware of my surroundings...I've got great, mufti-level security at my home with plans on what to do based on possible scenarios but I'm under no illusions that I would always be able to stop the bad guys even though I'll try to do so..try to survive...or at lest take them with me when I go. I could wear body armor 24/7 (well almost) and drive an armored vehicle whenever I left the house and it still wouldn't be a guarantee.

 

There are probably things that could be done to make schools a more difficult target but as long as they exist and as long as evil exists they will continue to be targets and evil will still attack them and find ways to circumvent or mitigate whatever society does to try and thwart their plans.

[bersaguy]

"you'll never stop it for the same reason why there will still be murders and other violence if you destroyed every weapon of every kind that currently exists and ban the creation of new ones...evil will find a way to do evil things". from Roberts post.  Your right about this part for sure. Cain killed Able with a rock. There will always be evil in the world. The real goal is to address it as best possible and continue strive never to allow it to consume us and we live our lives. Be vigilant as possible and fix what can be fixed and on the more difficult issues even harder.................jmho 

[DaveS]

Dave,

 

I agree with your sentiments...with what you are seeking. The problem is that what you seek simply isn't possible because what you really want to do is stop evil and that's impossible.

 

It doesn't matter what steps are put in place or how much money is spent...you could place an armed SRO with every single student...provide Secret Level 24/7 security at every school for every student and while you might slow evil down you will never stop it...you'll never stop it for the same reason why there will still be murders and other violence if you destroyed every weapon of every kind that currently exists and ban the creation of new ones...evil will find a way to do evil things.

 

I'm truly sorry that this incident happened just as I'm sorry that any other mass shooting has happened...just as I am anytime an innocent person is killed or severely injured because of the evil actions of another but I also know that I can't stop it.

 

I carry a weapon for SD...I try to be aware of my surroundings...I've got great, mufti-level security at my home with plans on what to do based on possible scenarios but I'm under no illusions that I would always be able to stop the bad guys even though I'll try to do so..try to survive...or at lest take them with me when I go. I could wear body armor 24/7 (well almost) and drive an armored vehicle whenever I left the house and it still wouldn't be a guarantee.

 

There are probably things that could be done to make schools a more difficult target but as long as they exist and as long as evil exists they will continue to be targets and evil will still attack them and find ways to circumvent or mitigate whatever society does to try and thwart their plans.

Robert; I guess I have to agree here with you. I guess I am asking for a perfect world , and it most likely isn't going to happen.

 

Dave

[Worriedman]

Evil is coming.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Ls3NxzHkU

[RED333]

What’s that have to do with Sand Hook; we had SRO’s at my High School in the 70’s?

They did not have one at the school in Sandy Hook, they do now.

[Guest TNSovereignty]

If this is going to be so big a deal, shut the schools down. 

 

We're creating monsters.

I'm onboard with this.  The only way to 'shut them down' at the personal level is to withdraw your children from institutionalized education - immediately.  You'll enhance security if you homeschool ... no concertina wire, no metal detectors, no security checkpoints, and no costly SROs ... just you, your child, a mountain of great books, your locked door, and if needed - your weapon.  Fringe benefits:

1.  No more mass indoctrination.  No more cloned ignorance.  No more weapons of mental destruction.

2.  Homeschooling defeats statism at its root - any wonder the state is constantly trying to regulate/repeal it?

3.  We can educate children on how the Fed is ripping them off.  How many public schooled kids know about fiat money?  The story behind the 1910 meeting at Jekyll Island?

 

The fringe benefits go on, ad infinitum.  I've homeschooled 2 graduates w/ 4 still in the program.  According to community feedback, they're 'socialized' better than any institutionalized kid who's surrounded by a company of fools for 1/3 of his life.  Besides, as our country clearly documents, some of those fools are sociopaths.

 

There is a cost ... homeschoolers can't do the dual-income thing.  No nice cars in the driveway, not many expensive toys.  But the kids are safe & educated.  And if you still want them to play ball & go to the prom, most school districts have cleared the path for homeschoolers to do those things.

 

Every man-made problem has a solution.  Homeschooling isn't the only solution, but the only one I know of that can be independently exercised.  Most folks, however, are too damn lazy or apathetic ... they'd rather complain, wring their hands, throw a LOT of money at the problem, and hope for the best.  Hope is a stupendously idiotic strategy.    

[mikegideon]

 Hope is a stupendously idiotic strategy.    

 

Bravo. Gets more idiotic every day.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

And Utopia is only in a book. But only kids who pick up a book will ever find that out.

[TMF]

A good option also is to not give into media hype and fear mongering regarding school shootings. My kids are far more likely to be killed by a teenager texting and driving as I take them to the store than be killed in a school shooting, but I don't drive them around in a 1/4 million dollar up armor vehicle with a reinforced roll cage. Or maybe I should? I dunno. Which one makes me the bad parent?

[bersaguy]

I was watching Fox news last night and this new budget was brought up and they are asking for 6 Billion dollars for education. I don't know about ya'll but they use our children as pawns every time in their ponzi schemes to get more money in the budget and once in there it seems that most of the money goes to pet pork projects and not to education.Every politician for as long as I can remember has in some way used education of our children to get their pork fat passed yet our education still suffers...............jmho

[RobertNashville]

I'm onboard with this.  The only way to 'shut them down' at the personal level is to withdraw your children from institutionalized education - immediately....

Amen...we need to get rid of public schools both because they are soft targets for terrorists (of all stripes) and because we, as a country, need to abandon this concept that everyone should get an education at the public's expense.  I'm all about education and its importance but it's not the public's responsibility to provide it or pay for it; it's the parents (while the children are still children) and each adult's responsibility to pay for themselves once they've become adults.

 

As I've suggested many times here, get your kids out of the public schools; either home school (preferable) or private schools. While there are some truly good, wonderful teachers who have their heads on straight they work in institutionalized idiocy and political correctness that glorifies socialism, re-writes history and and teaches anti-capitalism and anti-individual rights and liberty.

[Chucktshoes]

Amen...we need to get rid of public schools both because they are soft targets for terrorists (of all stripes) and because we, as a country, need to abandon this concept that everyone should get an education at the public's expense. I'm all about education and its importance but it's not the public's responsibility to provide it or pay for it; it's the parents (while the children are still children) and each adult's responsibility to pay for themselves once they've become adults.

As I've suggested many times here, get your kids out of the public schools; either home school (preferable) or private schools. While there are some truly good, wonderful teachers who have their heads on straight they work in institutionalized idiocy and political correctness that glorifies socialism, re-writes history and and teaches anti-capitalism and anti-individual rights and liberty.

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FTF....never mind. I wouldn't change a single word you wrote here. I am 100% in agreement with you. Libertarian views like this suit you. ;)

[RobertNashville]

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FTF....never mind. I wouldn't change a single word you wrote here. I am 100% in agreement with you. Libertarian views like this suit you. ;)

So your praise me and then insult me!!!!!  LOL

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name="RobertNashville" post="1080783" timestamp="1387395529"]So your praise me and then insult me!!!!! LOL[/quote] :lol: