Unethical?

[Guest HvyMtl]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/07/opinion/obeidallah-congress-ethics/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Read the article. Post what you think.










I will post what I think later, so as to not put a filter on his article.

[Reservoir Dog]

The man has a point. We keep electing them time after time after time. Everybody hates Congress, but likes [i][b]their[/b][/i] Congressman...........so it continues.

[Caster]

I think politics in general is unethical.

[Chucktshoes]

I would say he is spot on. It is extremely difficult to counter his arguments. I can't find fault in them.

[gregintenn]

I agree.

[Oh Shoot]

Yep, spot on. Pogo was right:


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- OS Edited December 9, 2012 by Oh Shoot

[NRA]

No such thing as an honest politician. IMO Edited December 9, 2012 by NRA

[mav]

Nothing new for me. I have said numerous times that it is the people (voters) who suck, and they are the ones who should be blamed, not the ones they elect.
Seriously, who should take the blame for soon to be disastrous results of an Obama 2nd term? Obama? Why blame Obama considering he is going to do (or at least try to)everything he said he would do? It is my contention that the almost 60 million who put him in office are to blame.

Over the last couple of years I have become very jaded, and I have come to realize two things. On average, people suck, and our entire system (political, educational, business, religious, etc...) is rife with corruption.

[mcurrier]

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[Trekbike]

[quote name='NRA' timestamp='1355052102' post='857151']
No such thing as an honest politician. IMO
[/quote]

I do think some have started out as honest, but soon become mired down in the muck and start stinking just like the rest.

In general, I can't disagree with the article.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Unethical politicians need to be bent, spindled and mutilated by getting them out of office before they become
too far off base, but when it becomes untenable and they are approaching criminal behavior, they need to be
severely dealt with, like the way they deal with us by the laws they pass on us that they are not subject to.
Their own ethics rule don't seem to do the job very well. Every day one is in office, he has the ability to break
laws we can't and that should be where the decision is made. Insider trading activity and exemption from laws
that affect everyone else encourage criminal activity and is more tyranny.

[mikegideon]

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1355073780' post='857272']
Unethical politicians need to be bent, spindled and mutilated by getting them out of office before they become
too far off base, but when it becomes untenable and they are approaching criminal behavior,[b] they need to be
severely dealt with,[/b] like the way they deal with us by the laws they pass on us that they are not subject to.
Their own ethics rule don't seem to do the job very well. Every day one is in office, he has the ability to break
laws we can't and that should be where the decision is made. Insider trading activity and exemption from laws
that affect everyone else encourage criminal activity and is more tyranny.
[/quote]

Yes, like Charlie Rangel. Haul his ass onto the floor of Congress, and tell him that he was a doodie head.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Man, that one just showed what that Congress really thought of us, didn't it? The same group who passed
our wonderful health care, also. There should have been lynchings going on that year for all who voted
against the people. Well, for the last thirty or so years, at least.

No telling what Rangel really got away with. Princess Nancy got away with quite a lot, also. And I'm not
counting the facelifts, either. A few Republicans could be thrown in that bunch, also. Edited December 9, 2012 by 6.8 AR

[mcurrier]

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1355074399' post='857278']
Man, that one just showed what that Congress really thought of us, didn't it? The same group who passed
our wonderful health care, also. There should have been lynchings going on that year for all who voted
against the people. Well, for the last thirty or so years, at least.

No telling what Rangel really got away with. Princess Nancy got away with quite a lot, also. And I'm not
counting the facelifts, either. A few Republicans could be thrown in that bunch, also.
[/quote]

Not only has the swamp NOT been drained, it has gotten deeper and become more murky.

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[mav]

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1355074399' post='857278']
No telling what Rangel really got away with. Princess Nancy got away with quite a lot, also. And I'm not
counting the facelifts, either. A few Republicans could be thrown in that bunch, also.
[/quote]

Sure you can blame the politicians, and they rightfully deserve it. However, I think the crux of the article is that we are to blame because we vote them in office and vote to keep them there.

I sometimes wonder if you can judge society by what kind of politicians they have elected to represent them.

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name='mav' timestamp='1355080947' post='857310']

Sure you can blame the politicians, and they rightfully deserve it. However, I think the crux of the article is that we are to blame because we vote them in office and vote to keep them there.

I sometimes wonder if you can judge society by what kind of politicians they have elected to represent them.[/quote]

I remember reading something once about a "people get the government they deserve."

[Guest cardcutter]

[quote name='NRA' timestamp='1355052102' post='857151']
No such thing as an honest politician. IMO
[/quote]
I like Dr. Hienlan's definition of an honest Polition.......... One that stays bought. Edited December 9, 2012 by cardcutter

[Guest 6.8 AR]

[quote name='mav' timestamp='1355080947' post='857310']
Sure you can blame the politicians, and they rightfully deserve it. However, I think the crux of the article is that we are to blame because we vote them in office and vote to keep them there.

I sometimes wonder if you can judge society by what kind of politicians they have elected to represent them.
[/quote]There's no doubt we are to blame letting them get into and staying in office. That's the sad part. It's
also our job to get them out of office. All of it ties together. We end up getting much more to pay for leaving
them in, and we could do something about it. We just don't.

Before long, we will be seeing them stay in office without a vote, anyway. They've continually voted themselves
raises without having to so they can say they didn't vote on it. Done that quite a few times, I think. So many
have a so-called vested interest in keeping in office now, that they like the pittance they are given, so the cycle
keeps getting unbroken.

That article didn't tell me anything new. And it's been written time and time again. Just the latest version. The
writer wrote knowing he wouldn't do anything, since the election is in the bag. I think these articles get written
after just about each election cycle telling us how dumb we were. No surprises, here.

[wjh2657]

Before we start blaming the voting public, remember how the selection process for candidates runs. We have little [i]if any [/i]part in picking the candidates. Long before the candidates get to the primaries or to the ballots, others ( political PACs and other special interest groups) have already picked who will run. Since we don't pick the candidates, we have fallen into voting by party affiliation alone. We do this partly because we want the illusion that we actually have a choice when we vote. I did not feel comfortable with a [i]single[/i] name,Democrat or Republican, National, county or State, on the ballot this time. But those were the only choices available to me.

[Clod Stomper]

Us? No. I disagree that it is us. It shouldn't matter if we elect Gumby, Santa, or Hugo Chavez to office. As long as they obey the law, which is the U.S. Constitution, it shouldn't make any difference at all who is in the office.

The problem is those who ignore the law (the aforementioned U.S. Constitution). Unfortunately....

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Yeh, and they need to be removed from office. When someone has the C.O. Jones to do it.