Want to build a suppressor.

[flyanything]

If I want to build my own. Do I go to a class 3 dealer to do the tax stamp and get the paperwork done before I build or is this a possible option? Would I be permitted to build my own suppressor?

[Dolomite_supafly]

No you don't have to go to a dealer to build your own. Yes, it is perfectly legal in thsi state to build your own providing you get approval.

Basically you do this.

Go to the class 3 dealer and ask for a NFA packet. That way you get the correct fingerprint cards. Then you download a Form 1, [u]NOT THE FORM 4[/u], and fill it out. Then you have local LE do your fingerprints on the cards and have the sheriff sign the back of the Form 4. Then you have two passport photos made and put your name, DOB and SSN on the back. You also need to do the compliance form.

Make two copies of your Form 4. Attach a photo to the orginal Form 1 and to a copy of the Form 1 in the appropriate place. Put those, the fingerprint cards, compliance form and a MO or check for $200 in an envelope and mail it in. Wait 6 months until you get the approved form back then you can build your suppressor. After about a month you will go pending. Then after that you are looking at about 3-4 months for approval. You can call and check status but even if they tell you that you are approved over the phone you cannot start until the form is in hand.

If you want I can give you my number and we can go more in depth with the process over the phone. There are a few particulars on the form than can get a little confusing. I made a Form 1 suppressor last year and I am getting ready to submit another for a 30 caliber can as well as a SBR. It is no more difficult than getting a passport.

Form 1:
[url="http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2008-1.pdf"]http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2008-1.pdf[/url]

Compliance form:
[url="http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf"]http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf[/url]

Form 1 is an application to make while a Form 4 is an application to transfer.

Dolomite

[flyanything]

Great. Thanks for the info. It will be for .308. I'll be in touch when I get ready to proceed.

[ffr1910]

The State of Tennessee does not care if you build your own supressor without paperwork:

[url="http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Chapter/PC0435.pdf"]http://www.capitol.t...pter/PC0435.pdf[/url]

To my knowledge no one has stepped up to test this new law and how the federales would react to it-ffr1910 Edited December 2, 2012 by ffr1910

[scoutfsu]

The federal gov't has already threatened action on anyone who tries that. TN is not the only state to try something like this.

TN may not care, but the Federal Gov't surely does. And they are the ones who will ultimately try you and stick you in prison. Make no mistake about that.

[Garufa]

[quote name='ffr1910' timestamp='1354407984' post='853567']
The State of Tennessee does not care if you build your own supressor without paperwork:

[url="http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Chapter/PC0435.pdf"]http://www.capitol.t...pter/PC0435.pdf[/url]

To my knowledge no one has stepped up to test this new law and how the federales would react to it-ffr1910
[/quote]
[quote name='scoutfsu' timestamp='1354417096' post='853659']
The federal gov't has already threatened action on anyone who tries that. TN is not the only state to try something like this.

TN may not care, but the Federal Gov't surely does. And they are the ones who will ultimately try you and stick you in prison. Make no mistake about that.
[/quote]

OP asked about building a supressor, not manufacturing and the relevance of symbolic laws.

It is perfectly legal as referenced in Dolomite's post. Edited December 2, 2012 by Garufa

[scoutfsu]

What? Manufacturing and building your own suppressor is the same thing. A form 1 is manufacturing......that's what you do when you "build" a suppressor or an SBR Edited December 2, 2012 by scoutfsu

[ffr1910]

I was just trying to add to the discussion, i didnt mean to make a "THR" style infraction-ffr1910

[TripleDigitRide]

[quote name='scoutfsu' timestamp='1354417640' post='853664']What? Manufacturing and building your own suppressor is the same thing. A form 1 is manufacturing......that's what you do when you "build" a suppressor or an SBR[/quote]

I suspect "building" one for yourself is different from "manufacturing" for others.
Edited December 2, 2012 by TripleDigitRide

[scoutfsu]

A Form 1 is a Form 1. Building is another word for manufacturing. You "manufacture" your SBR when you "build" it on your F1. That's why you engrave your information. YOU (or your trust) are the manufacturer. On a F4, you are transferring.....which is why you don't engrave anything.

[dlm37015]

you may build your own it must have your name on it or the name of your trust.just like before 86 you could make your own machine guns

[Dolomite_supafly]

When you "manufacture" you are building with the intent to sell. If you "make" them you are building them for yourself. The ATF makes a distinction between "manufacturing" and "making". I know it is silly but the ATF is the one who use specific wording. To us there is no difference between the words "build", "make" or "manufacture" but to the ATF there [u]is[/u] a real difference.

Here is the rules on "making" a NFA item by a nonlicensee:
[url="http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-6.pdf"]http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-6.pdf[/url]
BTW, this is the one that applies to the OP

And here are the rules on "manufacturing":
[url="http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-7.pdf"]http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-7.pdf[/url]
This is what would apply to say AAC, Surefire or any of the other "manufacturers".

Dolomite

[Will H]

Thank goodness for the US government. If left to my own devises I might make my own machine gun, which of course would be an international incident, cause mass extension of the spotted owl, the ocean levels would go up another 3 feet, and 1.6 million innocent people would be slaughtered. All without me firing a round.

[scoutfsu]

Dolomite,
Specifically on the F1, pg 3 under definitions -i- "the term make, and the various derivatives of such word, shall include manufacturing, putting together.....or otherwise producing a firearm.

It looks to me like the ATF considers the word to be the one and the same. What am I missing here?

[tennessee01tacoma]

Well dang I was about to make a trip to get some suppressor making supplies.

[scoutfsu]

since we're deleting posts now

Edited December 4, 2012 by scoutfsu

[scoutfsu]

Edited December 4, 2012 by scoutfsu

[Alleycat72]

Well I looked in the safe to get you the forms you need and I'm out of fingerprint cards. I must have given the last one to a dealer a while back and forgot to order more I do have some form 1s and Certification of compliance. If you want PM me your phone # and I'll go through the process without the extra BS. You can also order all the forms and finger print cards from the ATF for free.