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[Guest 6.8 AR]

My point was that a market is created when one has an idea and produces something which another wants or buys.
Until electricity was available the light bulb didn't have a market. Has nothing to with a candle or a kerosene lamp.
The game changer was electrification.

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1354468041' post='853803']My point was that a market is created when one has an idea and produces something which another wants or buys.
Until electricity was available the light bulb didn't have a market. Has nothing to with a candle or a kerosene lamp.
The game changer was electrification.[/quote]
See Apple's influence on personal electronic devices for a more recent example. They have continually created and changed consumer demand with the products they introduce to the marketplace.

[Symbolic]

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They started promoting these about a year ago
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I think I saw this around April 1, 2011 because I remember both that Hitman-looking dude and the 1911 Glock, which I fell for.... I thought they were both fake after I was told the Glock 1911 was an April Fool's gag.

[Guest TankerHC]

[quote name='Chucktshoes' timestamp='1354478233' post='853862']
See Apple's influence on personal electronic devices for a more recent example. They have continually created and changed consumer demand with the products they introduce to the marketplace.
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Apple consumer demand is low for Computers. They hold about 15% of the Global market, the same 15% they have been selling to for the last 15 years since Gates bailed Jobs out with $195 million. The other 90% is PC based with MS OS's operating on 90% of the global market. Jobs was a poor manager and never developed anything, sending your Engineers back to add something is not developing. Jobs drove the Company to bankruptcy in 95. What they hold is 68% of the Tablet Market and a large % of the Smart Phone market. Now that they are being required to release patent information to Samsung because of the lawsuits they keep filing, with Nokia, LG and other manufacturers coming a long way in just the last year, thats going to drop. Same with tablets, projection is they will lose 18% of the market this year to Google and even more to Amazon. I hold Apple stock, according to Fidelity, the valuation has plateaued. Edited December 2, 2012 by TankerHC

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name='TankerHC' timestamp='1354482998' post='853885']

Apple consumer demand is low for Computers. They hold about 15% of the Global market, the same 15% they have been selling to for the last 15 years since Gates bailed Jobs out with $195 million. The other 90% is PC based with MS OS's operating on 90% of the global market. Jobs was a poor manager and never developed anything, sending your Engineers back to add something is not developing. Jobs drove the Company to bankruptcy in 95. What they hold is 68% of the Tablet Market and a large % of the Smart Phone market. Now that they are being required to release patent information to Samsung because of the lawsuits they keep filing, with Nokia, LG and other manufacturers coming a long way in just the last year, thats going to drop. Same with tablets, projection is they will lose 18% of the market this year to Google and even more to Amazon. I hold Apple stock, according to Fidelity, the valuation has plateaued.[/quote]

Think what you want about whether or not Apple developed anything, or created market demand where there wasn't one before, but at least get your facts straight. Jobs left Apple in 86 and did not return to the company until 1996. At which point he brought it out of near bankruptcy and then charted its course to its current spot as the most valuable company in the world. One question though, if you own Apple stock and believe Fidelity that the value has plateaued, wouldn't the wise decision be to sell it?

I do feel it pertinent to add that prior to the iPhone, the smartphone market was dominated by RIM's Blackberry. When was the last time anyone released a successful smartphone design that was based on a half screen and physical keyboard? How many tablets were sold the year before the introduction of the iPad, and how many were sold in the 12 months following?

[Guest TankerHC]

[quote name='Chucktshoes' timestamp='1354484091' post='853889']
Think what you want about whether or not Apple developed anything, or created market demand where there wasn't one before, but at least get your facts straight. Jobs left Apple in 86 and did not return to the company until 1996. At which point he brought it out of near bankruptcy and then charted its course to its current spot as the most valuable company in the world. One question though, if you own Apple stock and believe Fidelity that the value has plateaued, wouldn't the wise decision be to sell it?

I do feel it pertinent to add that prior to the iPhone, the smartphone market was dominated by RIM's Blackberry. When was the last time anyone released a successful smartphone design that was based on a half screen and physical keyboard? How many tablets were sold the year before the introduction of the iPad, and how many were sold in the 12 months following?
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I have my facts straight. Jobs left (Was removed) from the company by the board because he drove it into bankruptcy. The Company didnt recover, in 95 Apple filed a patent lawsuit against MS. Then Jobs went to MS and asked Gates for 195 million dollars in exchange for dropping the suit. Gates has made it clear, Apple was on its last leg and all he had to do was wait it ou and there would be no Apple and no lawsuit, but he and Job were friends so he gave him the money. I never said "Apple" didnt develop anything, JOBS didnt innovate or develop anything. The original Apple computers were pure junk as were most of the later products. The Apple (Jobs) worshipers can thank Bill Gates for the products that Apple puts in their hands today. Not Jobs.

Applle sells a lot of tablets, no doubt. But they didnt invent the Tablet, again thats old tech from the 70's, the modern iteration of the tablet is a MS invention. One of Apple's strong points is marketing, they have done a good job with that. Too many tablets, some that are even better than iPads on the market now for way less. Apple wont dominate that market in 2 years.

As for the stock, I hold stock with Apple, MS, Copart, Comcast and several other Companies (Including Facebook), quick though I am not stock rich by any stretch of the imagination. I intended to cash most of it in except half the Copart and the FB stock and give the cas to my daughter when she graduates in May. I asked her and she would rather have the stock. So, thats where thats going. Edited December 2, 2012 by TankerHC

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name='TankerHC' timestamp='1354484451' post='853895']

I have my facts straight. Jobs left (Was removed) from the company by the board because he drove it into bankruptcy. The Company didnt recover, in 95 Apple filed a patent lawsuit against MS. Then Jobs went to MS and asked Gates for 195 million dollars in exchange for dropping the suit. Gates has made it clear, Apple was on its last leg and all he had to do was wait it ou and there would be no Apple and no lawsuit, but he and Job were friends so he gave him the money. I never said "Apple" didnt develop anything, JOBS didnt innovate or develop anything. The original Apple computers were pure junk as were most of the later products. The Apple (Jobs) worshipers can thank Bill Gates for the products that Apple puts in their hands today. Not Jobs.

Applle sells a lot of tablets, no doubt. But they didnt invent the Tablet, again thats old tech from the 70's, the modern iteration of the tablet is a MS invention. One of Apple's strong points is marketing, they have done a good job with that. Too many tablets, some that are even better than iPads on the market now for way less. Apple wont dominate that market in 2 years.

As for the stock, I hold stock with Apple, MS, Copart, Comcast and several other Companies (Including Facebook), quick though I am not stock rich by any stretch of the imagination. I intended to cash most of it in except half the Copart and the FB stock and give the cas to my daughter when she graduates in May. I asked her and she would rather have the stock. So, thats where thats going.[/quote]
If you say so, dude. I don't know what your big hardon of hate for Steve Jobs is about but I was just making a point about Apple shaping the market and consumer demand over the last decade. A point that is very hard to deny. You want to keep yer panties in a bunch about it, cool. Have fun with it, I'm done riding this derail.