ACC Blackout clarification question.

[chunkee]

Hello. My wife has graciously offered to by me a new rifle. I am eyeing a Daniel Defense 300 blackout. I have reading about the caliber and would like to clarify a couple of things.

Is Daniel Defense of good quality? Wanted to know if any one owned me on here could express their experience.
Can I replace the upper with 5.56 without any issues or modifications?

Wow, will the ammo always be that expensive?
Will the 5.56 magazines work interchangeably with both calibers?

Any reason to steer clear of this setup?

Thank you all for your time.

John

[mikegideon]

Can't beat Daniel Defense. Top notch company.

Yes, the only difference between the two uppers is the barrel. The 300 uses a 5.56 bolt

I doubt that the ammo will come down much because of the 30 cal bullets. They're just gonna be more expensive. Good caliber to reload.

The mags are compatable (short answer). The BLK is a shortened 5.56 case. Some bigger bullets can bump into the internal rib in the mag (a Dolomite discovery), but that may be limited to cast bullets. I don't think you'll have any problem with factory ammo.

No reason to steer clear unless you are bothered by the higher ammo cost. I reload it, so it's not that bad. It's a great caliber.

Lots of info from the horse's mouth...

[url="http://300aacblackout.com/"]http://300aacblackout.com/[/url]

[Lumber_Jack]

I compare factory 300 BLK ammo like other high power rifle. $20+ a box is gonna be standard. I got a box of 110 gr Hornady VMax and 220gr Remington from JoeBobsOutfitters.com for $21.95 and if you get more $90 shipping is free. If you compare it to 5.56 or 7.62 it's definitely gonna be more expensive, but like Mike says its a great reloading caliber.

If money isn't a factor, then by all means buy the Daniel Defense, worth every penny. Also look at Noveske and Wilson Combat for high quality factory built uppers. You can pair them with any standard AR lower.

[mikegideon]

[quote name='Lumber_Jack' timestamp='1353255045' post='847646']
I compare factory 300 BLK ammo like other high power rifle. $20+ a box is gonna be standard. I got a box of 110 gr Hornady VMax and 220gr Remington from JoeBobsOutfitters.com for $21.95 and if you get more $90 shipping is free. If you compare it to 5.56 or 7.62 it's definitely gonna be more expensive, but like Mike says its a great reloading caliber.

If money isn't a factor, then by all means buy the Daniel Defense, worth every penny. Also look at Noveske and Wilson Combat for high quality factory built uppers. You can pair them with any standard AR lower.
[/quote]

I'm a huge fan of Daniel Defense rails (there's one on my Blackout), That can be the most expensive part on an upper, so you have to factor that into their cost. My rail was 300 bucks, and I shopped it a little. In my opinion, that's a good value for that rail.

[chunkee]

Thank you all for the replies. Great information. I found one for around 1275. I am also looking for a suppressor. I have yet to use one and it is unfamiliar territory for me currently. I have seen other brands for a little less like DPMS. I do not reload yet as again I am not well versed in that arena. Perhaps someday. Seems like there would be a penny to be made on courses on much of this including the reloading of ammunition.

Regards,
John

[mikegideon]

This (below) is a good investment. There are tons of videos out there on reloading, but I read the book because doing it wrong can be dangerous. There's also lots of help on forums like this.

[url="http://www.amazon.com/The-ABCs-Of-Reloading-Definitive/dp/1440213968"]http://www.amazon.com/The-ABCs-Of-Reloading-Definitive/dp/1440213968[/url]

[Dolomite_supafly]

If you are a serious user avoid DPMS. They are "ok" for the person who shoots a few hundred rounds a year.

As far as the 300 you can get everything you need to reload for well under $200. That is EVERYTHING. Components can be bought cheap enough that you can reload for under .15 a round or $3 per box of 20. Remember that is buying your bullets, powder and primers.

If you really want to save start casting. The equipment to cast is under $80 or you can melt you lead in a $5 pot on the grill and use a $10 dipper to pour lead into your $25 mold. And when you start casting it costs under .06 a round or $1.20 per box of 20.

For a long time I swore never to own a 300. I was thinking what is the point. I would even argue that the 300 is nothing special. Now that I have owned a few I will say it will alsways be part of my stable of calibers. It can do everything and so much more than the 223.

Dolomite

[Caster]

Factory Remington 115g ammo is less than $15 per box of 20 at the local Academy sports. That's high to me, but it's also against my religion to shoot factory ammo anyway. In the scheme of purchased ammo, that's quite reasonable.

I backslid once and bought a box. I was unimpressed. Then again, once you start down the deep rabbit hole of handloading for such a versatile caliber, the mundane factory offerings are going to be lack luster.

You want reasonable to high performance, you go buy the stuff and load your own. Inside of it's intended range, the 300 BLK is a force to be reckoned with. A 208g Amax hits like a hammer.

[Lumber_Jack]

[quote name='Caster' timestamp='1353281825' post='847838']Factory Remington 115g ammo is less than $15 per box of 20 at the local Academy sports. That's high to me, but it's also against my religion to shoot factory ammo anyway. In the scheme of purchased ammo, that's quite reasonable.

I backslid once and bought a box. I was unimpressed. Then again, once you start down the deep rabbit hole of handloading for such a versatile caliber, the mundane factory offerings are going to be lack luster.

You want reasonable to high performance, you go buy the stuff and load your own. Inside of it's intended range, the 300 BLK is a force to be reckoned with. A 208g Amax hits like a hammer.[/quote]

Our Academy Sports doesn't carry any .300BLK. I wish thy would just for convenience while I get my gun finished and get the scope dialed in.

[mikegideon]

I ordered 200 rounds when I first built the rifle. Loaded everything else.

[chunkee]

[quote name='Dolomite_supafly' timestamp='1353264594' post='847710']
If you are a serious user avoid DPMS. They are "ok" for the person who shoots a few hundred rounds a year.

As far as the 300 you can get everything you need to reload for well under $200. That is EVERYTHING. Components can be bought cheap enough that you can reload for under .15 a round or $3 per box of 20. Remember that is buying your bullets, powder and primers.

If you really want to save start casting. The equipment to cast is under $80 or you can melt you lead in a $5 pot on the grill and use a $10 dipper to pour lead into your $25 mold. And when you start casting it costs under .06 a round or $1.20 per box of 20.

For a long time I swore never to own a 300. I was thinking what is the point. I would even argue that the 300 is nothing special. Now that I have owned a few I will say it will alsways be part of my stable of calibers. It can do everything and so much more than the 223.

Dolomite
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Wow, that seems like a pretty good deal. I would not know where to begin on getting the equipment and supplies needed. I am uncertain best places to purchase the reloading items. Thank you very much for your time and your reply.
JC