With all of the talk about civil unrest and secession...

[DaveTN]

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1352865279' post='845258']
I can tell you now that you won't be defending them from Republicans.
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Terrorists and traitors don’t get to be Republicans or Democrats; they are just terrorists and traitors.
But most of the nut cases I see talking about taking up arms against other Americans claim to either be Republicans or some lame azz 3rd party. But it doesn’t matter what they claim to be; they aren’t Americans once they try to overthrow our country by force; they are “domestic enemies”.

[DaveTN]

For those of you who think it’s a good idea to overthrow the government, are you going to do away with voting in your new government? As much as it sickens me this man was elected by a popular vote of the people.

Quit whining and feeling sorry for yourself and get involved in getting a candidate ready for the next election that can win. It’s a better plan than the one you are contemplating.

[1morethan8]

[size=5]Grandfathers.. you wouldn't believe the way people are talking now days... or maybe you would!?[/size]

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AMOS BRANTLEY
GEORGIA
PVT. LYTLE'S NC REGT.
AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY WAR

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JAMES AMOS BRANTLEY
PVT CO C 3 GA MILITIA
CONFEDERATE STATES ARMY

[Links2k]

[quote name='Batman' timestamp='1352873070' post='845325']

What do you call the people that are willing to look the other way while it happens?
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Republican and democrat representatives and the people who voted for them.

[RobertNashville]

[quote name='cardcutter' timestamp='1352836724' post='844934']
the decliration is not a binding document. It was a letter of intent sent to the king. There was no USA at the time. However the sentiment is still there.
[/quote]Actually, the declaration is part of the U.S.Code...is is law as much as any other law in the U.S.

[Guest MilitiaMan]

[quote name='Sooner' timestamp='1352864372' post='845244']
For what it's worth, I took the oath on January 29, 1976 and I still am bound by it. That said, my oath was to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. My allegiance in not to a president in name only, a political party, an ideology, or a collection of states, some of which force their stupidity on the rest. Indeed, I signed happily the petition as part of my First Amendment right to redress of grievances--focused on an out-of-control federal government. This administration, allegedly in control of this nearly unmanageable behemoth, is an anathema to a free society and free men. It is also a criminal enterprise masquerading as an administration that sorely needs to take heed of the first three words in the Preamble, "We, the People". Contrary to their ill-considered opinion, tt is not "We, the moochers" or "We, the takers", or "We, the bureaucrats, busybodies, politicians, lawyers, or judges". Something must give and that something must not include the people as that will mean an end to a grand experiment.

Note also that our nation is a collection of states, thirteen of which created this country in the first place. The federal government is therefore in no position to dictate terms of our surrender, as it were. And if this popular virtual uprising is not to their liking, too damn bad. There is always a second route that they would not want the states to embark upon and that would be a Constitutional Convention. The states, had they the courage of their citizen's convictions, would at least make the threat to get the attention of DC.


Just my $0.02.
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Hands down the most intelligent post in this thread.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

[quote name='Batman' timestamp='1352873070' post='845325']
What's stupid is the total disregard for our freedoms by this administration and they just get away with it! [b]What do you call the people that are willing to look the other way while it happens? [/b]It's more about the continuation of destructive policies than the election itself.
[/quote]Complacency, and it will destroy us until it changes.

[Guest The Dude]

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1352892641' post='845362']
Terrorists and traitors don’t get to be Republicans or Democrats; they are just terrorists and traitors.
But it doesn’t matter what they claim to be; they aren’t Americans once they try to overthrow our country by force; they are “domestic enemies”.
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The powers that be say the same thing about our founding fathers. The Declaration of Independence says otherwise.


[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1352893825' post='845364']

Quit whining and feeling sorry for yourself and get involved in getting a candidate ready for the next election that can win. It’s a better plan than the one you are contemplating.
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Then what. Any candidate is only as good as his word. And thats iffy at best. And replacing evil with evil isnt going to get us anywhere. The biggest problem I see is that being a politician shouldnt be a full time job, but an obligation. Fire everyone of these assclowns and make them get a real job and actually earn what they make, and pay out the ass for everything like the rest of us. Maybe then they'll pay a little more attention on that piece of legislation that will affect them as well.

The reason why politicians are so corrupt is because the people let them be. Plain and simple.

[RobertNashville]

I wonder....

What if we do have secession...What if the Federal government collapses under the weight of its own idiocy...What if we do have a second American Revolutionary War...What then?

The real problem with our country is not really in Washington D.C.; it's in the hearts of the people...you can have revolution after revolution but when the last shot is fired you still have the people and the people, not the "politicians" and not the "unions" and not the "lobbyists"; its' the PEOPLE who are the problem.

The first American Revolution worked NOT just because we defeated the British; it worked because we had strong, independent minded people who were capable and WILLING to take care of themselves and men of exceptional principles and morals who were willing to be servant-leaders.

[mcurrier]

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1352892641' post='845362']
Terrorists and traitors don’t get to be Republicans or Democrats; they are just terrorists and traitors.
But most of the nut cases I see talking about taking up arms against other Americans claim to either be Republicans or some lame azz 3rd party.
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Not seeing that, and not sure where you are seeing it. I don't see any Republicans talking about taking up arms against other Americans or against the Fed. Govt. I have seen a few people of whatever affiliation mention [i]defending[/i] themselves against attack if a revolt staged by the govt. teet takers were to occur, but none about anyone calling for or initiating armed revolt, certainly not by any Republicans.

[gregintenn]

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352927066' post='845684']
I wonder....

What if we do have secession...What if the Federal government collapses under the weight of its own idiocy...What if we do have a second American Revolutionary War...What then?

The real problem with our country is not really in Washington D.C.; it's in the hearts of the people...you can have revolution after revolution but when the last shot is fired you still have the people and the people, not the "politicians" and not the "unions" and not the "lobbyists"; its' the PEOPLE who are the problem.

The first American Revolution worked NOT just because we defeated the British; it worked because we had strong, independent minded people who were capable and WILLING to take care of themselves and men of exceptional principles and morals who were willing to be servant-leaders.
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I could not agree more. You can't get most lazy fat Americans to get out of their car and walk into McDonald's to get a Big Mac; they'd rather grab it from the car window. If there was a revolution; who'd fight it? And as Robert said, "Then what?" Till the peoples' sentiment is changed by some catostrophic event, we are pizzing in the wind discussing things like this.

[TMF]

[quote name='gregintenn' timestamp='1352940378' post='845806']

I could not agree more. You can't get most lazy fat Americans to get out of their car and walk into McDonald's to get a Big Mac; they'd rather grab it from the car window. If there was a revolution; who'd fight it? [/quote]

I hate getting out of my car to get a burger too. Thank god for Sonic I guess. I'm very clear on the criteria that will cause me to get my Wolverines on.

1. Suspension of elections due to power grab or coup of some kind.

2. Any viable attempt to overthrow our government that has been elected by the American people.

We are Americans. We get to have revolution at he polls. If my side loses I just wait until the next election cycle. Any attempt to change that system by force will cause me and the people like me to smack down those that would see the end to that. We would win.

[1morethan8]

I believe one of the main problems is the Federal Government trying to control many programs and legislation that should be controlled on the state level.

[mav]

As I have read most of these threads, I am seeing a lot of people using armed revolution and secession synomously. They are two entirely separate things.

Speaking of armed revolution, I don't hear anyone advocating that outside of an extremely small number of nut jobs, and they were nuts long before this election. Hell, even the conspiracy-minded Alex Jones club isn't calling for armed revolution. If a bunch of yahoos form a milita and attack government institutions, including the federal ones, they are terrorists. Plain and simple. Using the American Revolutionary War and Declaration of Independence as a justification of such action is totally misguided. Just to reiterate, I am not hearing this kind of talk, so I don't really see where all this talk of upholding one's oath etc... is coming from. When I read this kind of stuff, it makes me think that the one(s) stating such have way too much machismo or they are just as nuts as the ones who are calling for armed revolution.

Secession, on the other hand, is something totally different. Yes, I am aware that secession was ruled unconstitutional. I do not have the knowledge or ability to argue the legal merits of such a decision, so I won't even attempt to. My point is that secession does not have to be violent. Even though I may disagree about what people are doing with all the secession petitions, I see nothing violent in it. As I stated in a post on another thread, I see it has nothing more than a cry for help or a protest of their dissatisfaction with the outcome of the election.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Yep the USA revolution was fomented by the "local government". It was not revolutionaries/terrorists rising against BOTH the brits and the colonial powers-that-be. A secession, if or when it arrives at that point, will be similar. I have doubts such secession would necessarily pose a risk of civil war this time around. Unless order and state/local gov and federal gov is already breaking down before secession is even thunk up by a local/state gov. Am not advocating secession, merely considering the "science fiction alternate history" aspects.

Good odds it will be "don't let the screen door hit you" attitude by both sides if it ever comes to it. Good riddance, one less problem to worry about.

China gets international flack from heavy-handed action against taiwan or himalayas or even internal regions. Russia gets international flack for heavy-handed action against chechnia, latvia or georgia. International opinion even "somewhat" restricts behavior of China and Russia. But the USA typically cares a lot more about international opinion than Russia or China. The USA wouldn't (I don't think) bomb, invade, or even starve out a seceeding state, from fear of bad international opinion (or even international anti-USA boycotts/blockades) Even Russia, China, and middle-eastern nations would raise a flap if the USA ferinstance tried (or even threatened) to bomb Vermont into submission. Ultimate hypocrisy perhaps, but hypocrisy that would still help protect the citizens of Vermont.

Vermont may have one of the oldest and biggest secession movements-- Because the USA is too redneck and ain't socialist enough to suit Vermont's sensibilities. Going back to that "don't let the screen door hit you" regionalist vibe which might likely accompany actual secessions. Edited November 15, 2012 by Lester Weevils

[Tempest455]

My son came home from school with a permission slip asking if he could watch "selected scenes" from the Patriot.

I signed it yes and told him to go back and say we have it on DVD and tell the teacher he's seen it at least a dozen times!

[glowdotGlock]

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1352839696' post='844974']

Not sure where you're coming from, I can only infer which group you are attempting to speak to, but... if Romney had won there would have already been riots in the streets, looting, violence perpetrated on caucasians and more. Already. It would be past tense or still be ongoing. Since 0bama "won", things are relatively calm and peaceful. That's because the group that "lost" is the more mature, reasonable, cautious group, the group that acts with honor and abides by the law, regardless of the circumstances. So I'm not sure which group you are saying that are "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Wanting to destroy OUR country because you didn't get your way in a election is STUPID!" I don't hear anyone talking about that. The side that "won" will do a plenty good job of destroying the country as it is.[/font][/color][/quote] this

[Guest ThePunisher]

It will be this Marxist regime in the WH that will draw first blood. The R's and Tea Partiers are not the civil disobedient that want to riot and burn down the country. They are the ones that work and keep the dead beats up with free stuff. The ones that want to circumvent the Constitutional rule of law, and want to take your guns are the Dems and the commie in the WH.

Forget about winning at the next election until you can do something about the democrats cheating with dead votes. Trusting the Dems and Obama on doing the right thing for America is like buying unseen property in Florida.

If you have an unconcerned President about the country's economic health for 4 years, then you have a national security concern for the country. Our country's security relies on both military and economic strength, and there is no evidence what so ever that Obama knows how to jump start the economy or even cares about the economy getting better. American people have no confidence in Obama dealing with the economy other than knowing that he's tanking the economy.

It's just a matter of time that because of Obama's polices of destruction, the people that are not brain dead will realize that the Obama administration is the true enemy of the state, and that this group in power will be the ones that draw first blood in any American civil unrest. Too much evidence that points to their preparation for drawing first blood. At no other time since the Civil War has the people been so fearful of civil unrest, and the collapse of our country because of Obama's dictatorial policies and actions bypassing the Constitution.

No dout about it that Obama is the most devisive and the most dangerous President in our history when he promised "Hope and Change" to all the believing sheeple. It is becoming more evident everyday that this Marxist/commie administration is the enemy of the state, and half of the country know it. Unfortunately the other half of the country have had their head buried in the sand for over 4 years, or just don't care.

[RichardR]

My guess, given this administrations track record of pushing wedge issues that they know will be divisive along race, gender, class, etc, that they might welcome this sort of reaction.

As a divided America is a weakened America.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I doubt there will be any unrest until someone else starts it. By that time, it won't be too civil, either.
I would rather leave unrest out of the equation. We need to see how the legitimate voting goes in
2014 and get control back away from President Kardashian.

[Links2k]

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352988329' post='846024']

We need to see how the legitimate voting goes in 2014.

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That's the bottom line. Anythings else looks and smells like EXTREMELY sour grapes.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think the voting will be just as hard, next time, but with this Benghazi and Fast and Furious starting to
rattle the administration, we may see a different side of the One, soon. His community organizing won't
be as easily able to overcome a mob of voters demanding and watching over everyone's shoulder. I think
if the fix is in during 2014, there will be some serious problems starting up with him. With a different Senate,
he could very easily get impeached.

He made a bad calculation with his statement about Ms. Rice when he said to back off her and come after him.
There are a lot of folks willing to "come after him", right now.

There will be a lot of people watching in 2014.

Sour grapes is one thing, but civil unrest should be dealt with, first by the ballot, then with the courts
before everything else. I think all this secession talk will go away, but it is a sign of how upset people
are with our government these days. Edited November 15, 2012 by 6.8 AR

[RichardR]

Impeachment won't happen regardless of what wrong doing is uncovered, they (the hardcore leftists) have too much support & too much power now.

This nation is well on it's way to becoming a one-party system, at least nationally, for the foreseeable future, at least IMHO.

[leroy]

6.8 makes several good points in his post above (...#72..) here. My take on all this is that im a relatively old coot (...66...) and ive never seen as much divisiveness (...other than the vietnam thing...) and grousing about the sorryness of government than ive been hearing and seeing for the last four years. This current crop of idiots has managed to drive the wedge deeper and drag the issues further down the road quicker with their high handed tactics than ive ever seen before. They have re-opened wounds between the government, the people, and the individual states that were inflicted via the bayonet in the post civil war period. They shouldn't have done that. When these issues are re-visited; i predict that there will not be enough carpetbaggers and thugs to enforce much of what they dream of doing. Further, they dont have an army of occupation to enforce this stuff. I predict (...and sincerely hope and pray...) they will loose bad in court. Otherwise, there could be some trouble. When you have otherwise solid citizens talking succession and have third partys like the Tea Party(s) in various states talkin about the things they are talkin about; with bad words dricted toward both political parties and the government; those in those parties and the political operatives need to be concerned.

RE: Violence directed toward those in government. The nobama regieme and its operatives dont need to worry about violent harm comming from the "Rs" and the various freedom loving groups. For the most part, those groups are law abiding citizens who work for a living, and are genuinely concerned about the direction the country is being taken in. The politicos need to be worried about their far left socialist bastard brothers and commie philistine harlot sisters who dont think that they are doin enough to bring the beautiful utopian socialist paradise to the good ole usa. Remember, Jared Loughner aint a right wing nut; he is a left wing nut.

leroy

[Links2k]

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352999069' post='846095']
I think the voting will be just as hard, next time, but with this Benghazi and Fast and Furious starting to
rattle the administration, we may see a different side of the One, soon. His community organizing won't
be as easily able to overcome a mob of voters demanding and watching over everyone's shoulder. I think
if the fix is in during 2014, there will be some serious problems starting up with him. With a different Senate,
he could very easily get impeached.

He made a bad calculation with his statement about Ms. Rice when he said to back off her and come after him.
There are a lot of folks willing to "come after him", right now.

There will be a lot of people watching in 2014.

Sour grapes is one thing, but civil unrest should be dealt with, first by the ballot, then with the couIrts
before everything else. I think all this secession talk will go away, but it is a sign of how upset people
are with our government these days.
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Well said!