Looking to buy first ar

[Guest seawolf138]

Good luck

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[Guest Michael.G]

Well, when I walked in the store there was someone holding my gun. Luckily, he put it down and I swooped in. 740 out the door with 200 rounds of. 223 thrown in. STOKED. can't wait to shoot it.

[Guest seawolf138]

Congratulations. I'm glad you found one, I'm not disappointed I didn't, pretty happy with the one I found, but I'm glad you did

[Chadastrophic]

Wow, couple months ago they were $679 at academy.

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[Lumber_Jack]

NM, the lack of quotations is this thread had me confused.


I'd have to believe the academy workers were mistaken on the S&W model. No 15 sport should be $899 Edited November 12, 2012 by Lumber_Jack

[Guest ThePunisher]

[quote name='Lumber_Jack' timestamp='1352704919' post='844193']
NM, the lack of quotations is this thread had me confused.


I'd have to believe the academy workers were mistaken on the S&W model. No 15 sport should be $899
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That is the Optics Ready model for $899.00 and it's on their website listed. The Sport is not shown in stock.

[Dolomite_supafly]

You have found yourself the gun that will lead to a lifelong passion for AR's. It is a great gun whether you are new to AR's or an old warhorse. Its value is far beyond what it costs. And even though it technically is NOT milspec it will perform just as well as most guns that are milspec.

Milspec is actually not a high standard, is is a low standard. Kind of like making a "D" on a report card, it is good enough to pass. And those who make "milspec" guns are going to do what is required to pass and nothing more.

Also, just because something isn't milspec doesn't mean it is junk, just means it doesn't meet the criteria for the military's standard for that item. Magpul magazines are NOT milspec or at least not yet and are great. Noveske barrels are NOT milspec and are great. Monolithic uppers are NOT milspec. The majority of muzzle brakes and flash hiders out there are NOT milspec. The majority of the furniture for AR's is NOT milspec. The majority of BUIS's are NOT milspec. Melonite treatment is leaps and bounds above chrome lining for both durability and corrosion resistance but it is NOT milspec, at least not yet. Not conforming to the milspec standard because of a design that is different is not necessarily a bad thing, claiming to meet it when it cannot not meeting it because of quality issues is.

And the list goes on and on. But as I said milspec is the minimum standard for the [u][u][u]military[/u][/u][/u] but it doesn't mean something is junk because it isn't milspec. It just means is is not part of the TDP. And every single item in the military must meet certains standards set forth in the standard, be it a number 2 pencil or a nuclear submarine.

And any maker out there can say it is milspec even though it isn't. As long as the military isn't the buyer they have done nothing wrong legally. And I honestly believe there are makers who intentionally mislead people by using the milspec term like "turbo" was the catch phraze of the 90's. There are a few makers out there who are very poor quality yet use the "milspec" standard to describe their products.

Also what is funny is the mispec standard for government rifles is not public knowledge, only those who actually [u][u]HAVE[/u][/u] a government contract to produce them have the milspec "technical data package" in writing. And any maker who is going to use the TDP must sign a non disclosure agreement before receiving it. All other makers making guns to "milspec" are just guessing. And there are very few who have the M16/M4 TDP, Colt, FN and now Remington.

Even our beloved Sport is [u]NOT[/u] milspec but by all accounts performs just as well. The upper receiver is not, the lower receiver is not, the barrel is not, the sights are not and the supplied magazine is not. Does that mean it is junk? I is the total opposite of junk. It is the best AR out there for the money, period. I will even go as far as say it is the best AR out there for under $1,000. It is a great gun because all the parts are of very high quality even though they do NOT meet milspec as spedified in the TDP. And you also get a top notch warranty from a gun maker that has been around well over a century.

And for those of you who think Colt [u]IS[/u] the gold standard, think again. Not all Colt's are MILSPEC and as a matter of fact most are not in the civillian marketplace. There are thousands of commercial Colt AR's out ther that DO NOT meet milspec standards. Every single large pin Colt AR is not milspec. And I do believe milspec for the FCG pins is .155" but a lot of rifles that Colt made commercially have .170" pins to prevent installation of FA parts. Check a COLT AR FCG pins and if they are .170" then it isn't milspec. And along with Colt's choice to use .170" FCG pins came a huge reduction in the selection of aftermarket triggers and hammers available for those NON milspec guns. The Colt "C" bolt carriers that were used to prevent FA use are also NOT milspec. Those are the ones that if you look at them from the rear that look like a sideways "C". And those bolt carriers came in a lot of AR's. The biggest reason is for legal reasons because we cannot legally own a 14.5" barrel without proper paperwork.

Dolomite

[Erik88]

I bought my Sport and that gun store off Watt road in Farragut/Lenoir city. $720 out the door. Not the best price I've seen but certainly worth it.

[MiddTennTaco]

I like what you all have said about the sport but to be honest an AR-15 just doesnt look right without a forward assist and dust cover, lol. Im sure its a great rifle though.

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