FBI Training video 1969

[jtluttrell]

Cool FBI Training video from 1969

[Guest sL1k]

That was pretty cool. I laughed at a couple parts though lol

[jtluttrell]

Yeah, it's part informative and interesting and part retro and hilarious. Win-win.

After this I found a training vid / documentary about the 1986 Miami shooting. It's insane (and also happens to be the inspiration for the .40 round, which was news to me.)

Edited October 27, 2012 by jtluttrell

[shaftbass]

I guess everything had to start somewhere

[Dolomite_supafly]

The video is not from 1969. The newest cars in the video are 1973 or 1974. Great video either way. I enjoyed watching it.

It is great to see how training has changed as well as what has remained.

Dolomite

[KaNuckles]

That same video showed up in my suggestions on YouTube last night...

[Troutburger]

I expected to hear the dragnet theme music...

[RobertNashville]

Interesting video! Thanks for posting.

[Mike]

[quote name='jtluttrell' timestamp='1351361241' post='834530']. It's insane (and also happens to be the inspiration for the .40 round, which was news to me.)
[/quote]

The 10mm came out of the 86 shoot out. The .40 came later.

[jtluttrell]

[quote name='Mike' timestamp='1351919806' post='838207']
The 10mm came out of the 86 shoot out. The .40 came later.
[/quote]

Actually........[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10mm_Auto"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10mm_Auto[/url]

10mm Auto (1983) ---> 86 shootout ---> 10mm "Lite" ---> .40 (1990)


an interesting side note :
[quote][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]The .40 S&W cartridge debuted January 17, 1990, along with the new [/size][/font][/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_4006"]Smith & Wesson Model 4006[/url][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3] pistol, although it was several months before the pistols were available for purchase. Austrian manufacturer [/size][/font][/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_Ges.m.b.H."]Glock Ges.m.b.H.[/url][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3] beat Smith & Wesson to the dealer shelves in 1990, with pistols chambered in .40 S&W (the[/size][/font][/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock#.40_S.26W"]Glock 22[/url][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3] and [/size][/font][/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock#.40_S.26W"]23[/url][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]) which were announced a week before the 4006.[/size][/font][/color][/quote] Edited November 3, 2012 by jtluttrell

[Mike]

Out of the article you linked to...

[quote]Although [b]it was selected by the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation"]Federal Bureau of Investigation[/url] for use in the field following the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout"]1986 F.B.I. Miami Shootout[/url][/b], their Firearms Training Unit "concluded that its recoil was excessive in terms of training for average agent/police officer competency of use and qualification",[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10mm_Auto#cite_note-5"][6][/url][/sup] and the pistols that chambered it were too large for some small-handed individuals. These issues led to the creation and eventual adoption of a shortened version of the 10mm that would evolve into what is today the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_S%26W"].40 S&W[/url].[/quote]

The 10MM was developed before 1986 but was selected for FBI use due to the shootout. They moved to the .40 afterwards.

Mike

[jtluttrell]

[quote] It's insane (and also happens to be the inspiration for the .40 round, which was news to me.)[/quote]

My logic: 1986 shootout --> FBI adopts pre-existing 10mm round ---> FBI has "issues" with 10mm round --->
[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]These issues[b] [size=4][u]led to the creation[/u][/size][/b][size=5][u] [/u][/size]and eventual adoption of a shortened version of the 10mm[size=4][b][u] that would evolve[/u][/b][/size] into what is today the [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_S%26W"].40 S&W[/url][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)].[/background][/size][/font][/color][/quote] ---> .40 S&W

86 shootout --> * ---> * ---> .40 S&W

It's a chain of events.

My original quote was only referring to the connection between the 1986 shootout and the development of the .40 S&W. Perhaps "inspiration for" was a bit lazy of me, but it seemed to flow a little better than "first in a series of events that would eventually lead to the development of". Maybe a bit of a generalization, but I don't think I at any time strayed from reality or misrepresented facts in order to reach this conclusion. I'm not quite sure what you're stabbing at, but maybe see this link:

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man[/url]