Dog question

[Dolomite_supafly]

I actually have an entire book that just has the all TN animal laws in it, including the ones about where you can hitch your horse lol. Having worked as an investigator & asst director at the TN SPCA I can get the laws & statutes posted. I'll start a thread to explain & answer questions. But when I do, I'll not be interested in arguing. My point of the tread will simply to inform & educate if anyone is interested. That's why I've backed out of the conversations in this thread. Too much negativity.

TNBrat Hiding in the woods…

That will be great and no one will be arguing with you.

Dolomite

[gregintenn]

First off, I could do plenty besides cuss. Which I would do, and do my damnedest to get him pissed enough to hit me so I could whup his ass. Next I would call the company and proceed to tell as many people as I can get on the phone what happened.

That said, my dog doesn't attack people. She may growl, at which point you better stop or back up. You continue forward and hell yea she has a right to chew on your butt without retaliation.

Second, I've taken a baseball bat to neighbor's pet dogs who were eating a cat. I didn't say chasing or harassing, basically had the cat down and chewing on it. Not sure what happened with the dogs, but I would up with a pet cat (the vet was very flexible on the bill after hearing how I acquired the cat).

It would be quite fitting if one day your dog attacked you. If you don't have anything constructive to add to this thread, I imagine everyone here would appreciate you not posting in it any more.

[Makiaveli]

Or doesn't work as in the driver is making his next delivery before you find all your teeth.

I used to be a driver for a major shipping company. I have dealt with every kind of dog and dog owner. Most were uneventful. Occasionally, one would have an attitude and I would simply leave, as you suggest. However, this method often results in a pissed off customer calling the company and complaining because Spot wouldn't hurt a flea, they paid good money to get it shipped 2 day, etc. and the company sends the driver right back. Combine that with the fact that drivers are pressured to get rid of the package the first day, and you might understand why a driver would try to work his way past a vicious dog. There were also times when there was no dog in sight until I made the delivery and turned to find Cujo standing between me and the truck, and he wouldn't back down. What is a driver to do then? I beat the hell out of several dogs in this situation. What would you have done?

Expecting a driver "to know how to act around dogs" is impossible because no two dogs are alike and none of them are 100% predictable. Besides, it's not the driver's obligation to read your dog's mind.

First off a company that can't tell the difference between a dog problem and a lazy driver isn't my problem. I deal with people as my job, usually people who did something stupid and want me to take the blame for it. So I get the stupid owner bit. As I am not a stupid owner, and won't be pulling stupid owner tricks, if I call to complain about my package I expect to be told the truth. If my dog was the problem, I'll fix it.

Point being, I don't expect my dog to be punished just because your boss/company is being a ****. If she gets between you and the truck etc, then yep pepper spray/kick whatever you have to do. I've done it to other people's dogs in situations where they wouldn't let me leave the area. But I have also seen people move toward my dog to spray her while she was in OUR yard. That is crap I won't put up with.

Let me be clear. If my dog is attacking you for simply walking around, and you have a legitimate reason to be there etc and you do everything in your power right and you kill her, yea I'll be pissed. I'll probably cuss you till your momma's feelings are hurt. Then I will get over it and apologize.

If however, you pepper spray (which has already sent her to the vet once with life threatening issues) or shoot her just because you don't want an ass-chewing when you get back to work, then expect to retain counsel or get friendly with the company's legal team.

Now do you see the difference? I am not a moron. I am however extremely attached to my dog, and I will react with extreme emotion if someone attacks her. Same as if you punched my kid. If he attacks you out of the blue with a knife, my apologies and info for any medical bills. If on the other hand he acts a fool and just stands there cussing you, better keep your hands and everything else to yourself.

[Makiaveli]

It would be quite fitting if one day your dog attacked you. If you don't have anything constructive to add to this thread, I imagine everyone here would appreciate you not posting in it any more.

I was responding to a comment someone made to another post. I didn't just wander somewhat off-topic just for the heck of it. Now if on the other hand, the quoted post starts collecting "likes" then I will gladly shut up and go somewhere else.

**edit** PS WTF is up with the hostility? The more I think on that, the more it pisses me off. You don't like what I said, so you want me to be mauled by a dog?

Edited October 30, 2012 by Makiaveli

[RobertNashville]

...If someone is on my property, without a reason or authority to be here, they will be met with an overwhelming amount of force to remove them from my property. Then they will find themselves being arrested. I can escalate to whatever means I feel is needed, up to but not including deadly force, to remove a trespasser from my property. It is also my choice how much force is needed, I ask them to leave and if they refuse I can continue to ask or I can grab them and physically remove them. And if they resist in any way they might find themselves going to the hospital enroute the jail. And I will be in the right if I do. I do not have to call the cops and wait for them to remove someone.

This statement bothers me a bit.

Maybe I'm all wrong on this but I don't think a property owner has any legal right to lay hands on a trespasser in order to remove him/her from his property unless the trespasser started the physical altercation.

I would think that if a property owner did what you describe above he could be charged with and found guilty of assault and/or aggravated assault.

[Makiaveli]

This statement bothers me a bit.

Maybe I'm all wrong on this but I don't think a property owner has any legal right to lay hands on a trespasser in order to remove him/her from his property unless the trespasser started the physical altercation.

I would think that if a property owner did what you describe above he could be charged with and found guilty of assault and/or aggravated assault.

From my research on this, you are correct. Unless the trespasser is "substantially interfering" with your use of the property, your options are limited. The is meant to prevent people from being shot simply because they step off the roadway onto your property etc. Now if he's standing in the middle of your yard and refuses to leave, as I understand it, your options are simply to call the police. Now if he's 5 acres from the property line, you have it posted etc, then I think you might be justified in "escorting" him off the property.

FTR, not lawyer etc.

[TMF]

Maybe... a DA can press all the charges he wants. If someone is on my property and they ain't supposed to be, they will have the options of walking out or being carried out. I'm okay with the repercussions.

[strickj]

I have learned two things with all of the cat/black panther and dog threads.

People love dogs WAY more than cats. I don't think I read one threat in all of the cat/black panther threads combined.

Uncountable threats in this dog thread though.

And dog owners sound surprisingly like bad parents of thugs.

Project living crack head momma sez "my baby never hurt no one!" after her son robs someone.

Dog owners sez "my dog would never bite anyone"....

Edited October 30, 2012 by strickj

[Makiaveli]

I have learned two things with all of the cat/black panther and dog threads.

People love dogs WAY more than cats. I don't think I read one threat in all of the cat/black panther threads combined.

Uncountable threats in this dog thread though.

And dog owners sound surprisingly like bad parents of thugs.

Project living crack head momma sez "my baby never hurt no one!" after her son robs someone.

Dog owners sez "my dog would never bite anyone"....

You never met my MiL. She has 80-odd sq. ft. "cat house" that has lights, and heat given that so many people dump stray cats/kittens out here. Pays to have all of them neutered FTR. Shoot a cat around her, and well, if you survive the beating, you are one tough hombre.

I hope I don't sound like a crack baby momma over my dog. She is a German Shepherd and very protective of family/property. But she also heels when called, only has to be told one time someone is a friend etc. But as I said before, if she attacks someone without justification, I will pay the bills and apologize. If she has justification, I will sue your assets off.

[RobertNashville]

Well, call me a pansy or whatever but I don't see how it's worth facing criminal charges or a civil lawsuit (or more likely, both) just so I can physically remove someone from my property and as far as I can tell, and I've been looking at TN's law since my earlier post, a property owner simply doesn't have the right to forceably remove a trespasser (if "trespassing" is all he is doing).

I guess what bothers me about issues like this (and this is a generic observation, not directed at anyone in particular) is that gun owners who have chosen to carry for SD purposes seem pretty quick to promote "their rights" and "the law" until following the law interferes with something they like or want or feel entitled to do.

We like to promote the fact that those who carry are "law-abiding citizens" yet it seems there are more than few who will, for example, carry past a sign, even though it's illegal to do so or are willing to physically lay hands on a trespasser even though the law doesn't allow it.

I also can't help but wonder, amid all this bravado, who here has actually HAD a trespasser on their property that refused to leave after being told to do so? I mean, is this really a big problem that I'm not aware of? The only trespassers I've had a problem with are a couple of local school kids walking between my and my neighbors house to get to there house after the bus dropped them off (a problem I took care of with a liberal sprinkling of my dog's leavings in in the path they liked to use).

[Smith]

I have learned two things with all of the cat/black panther and dog threads.

People love dogs WAY more than cats. I don't think I read one threat in all of the cat/black panther threads combined.

Uncountable threats in this dog thread though.

And dog owners sound surprisingly like bad parents of thugs.

Project living crack head momma sez "my baby never hurt no one!" after her son robs someone.

Dog owners sez "my dog would never bite anyone"....

I actually agree 100% with you strickj!

One thing I learned on the farm is that animals are animals first and foremost. As much as we love them and they are our friends they are still animals and their instincts will override whatever emotional attachment you have for them if certain circumstances present themselves.

[DaveTN]

her son robs someone.

Dog owners sez "my dog would never bite anyone"....

My dog will bite.

He’s never bit anyone but he’s 100 pounds of teeth and I bet it would hurt.

Having said that….. I spent a lot of money to contain my dog. I have a 6 foot chain link fence around the back yard. He is kept in the house and we keep an eye on him when he’s out.

When I take him out of his yard to the park, or store, he is great with people, friendly as can be. But if someone walked though that fence I think he would bite. Of course he will be at the gate barking so I doubt anyone would try.

There was a great show on Animal Planet about this. I don’t know if the still run it or not, but it was an attorney that handles nothing but dog bite cases. Bottom line… Unless someone is attacking me or breaking into my home, if my dog bites them; I am likely going to get sued. The fact that someone is on your property or the fact that your dog is on his own property doesn’t mean he has the right to bite…. That’s crazy. You can’t shoot trespassers and you can’t sic your dog on them; you will go to jail.