Why Romney will win this election

[MacGyver]

I've been thinking about the role of money in the election over the last couple of days. Three thoughts:

First, this article in the WSJ yesterday noting how Goldman Sachs has done a complete 180 abandoning giving to Obama in favor of giving to Romney: http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2012/10/09/goldmans-political-money-waves-bye-to-obama-heads-to-romney/?KEYWORDS=goldman+romney

Second, a comment overheard yesterday made by a Goldman insider stating, "I like Romney because he is just like me."

Lastly, as I think about these things, I keep coming back to the old Emma Goldman quote, "if voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." Mind you, she was an anarchist, but for some reason it seems relevant to this discussion.

Thoughts?

[xRUSTYx]

If Obummer win's Ohio -- It really doesn't matter what the popular vote thinks. I'm 95% sure Romney will win the popular vote, I don't just believe he will have the electoral votes that he needs.

[gjohnsoniv]

Well I think there is probably a lot more to it than that, but who knows. I have a feeling it's more like a ripple effect from the debate (maybe). Then again a lot of these companies put money on both sides to secure their bet. So maybe they have just decided Obama won't be re-elected and they're going with Romney in hopes of it paying off. Dunno.

[Jonnin]

I am heartened a bit by the polls. If romney is ahead in ANY poll, he has a better shot than folks realize. The polls have always been skewed to the left, so if Mitt is up by 2% in the polls, there is every chance he is really up 10% or more in real voters.

Its a tough fight. It takes 3 states to cancel out CA. FL can cancel out NY if we win it. If we lose FL, we probably lose. PA is a big deal, and Mitt needs to get up there and stir those good people up. If he can pull FL and PA, it will be a close, but winnable battle. OH of course too, but PA and FL are equally or more important.

[mj12]

Though I've not given up hope, what appears to be flagrant voter fraud is going to make this election an uphill slog for Mitt.

[mikegideon]

I'm real optimistic. I think the leaders in the business community have had more than enough of Obama. I think the general public is catching on too.

The left has Big Bird. That may be enough to rally the mother jones crowd, but just has to send a message to folks with a brain.

My gut said that the debate would level the field. It pretty much has. Wait 'til Mitt flies into him on foreign policy at the next one.

Edited October 10, 2012 by mikegideon

[MacGyver]

Yeah, everything I see seems to indicate that Obama is doubling down and is going to come across as a condescending narcissist in the next debate as well.

I do enjoy how the left is suddenly rallying behind Joe Biden. Seems a bit of a stretch to pin your debate hopes on him. I think Ryan is going to eat him alive.

[S&WForty]

I do enjoy how the left is suddenly rallying behind Joe Biden. Seems a bit of a stretch to pin your debate hopes on him. I think Ryan is going to eat him alive.

I saw a headline on Yahoo at lunch, "Ryan prepares to take on skilled debater Biden." Next to that it comments that Biden has been sparring over policy since Ryan was learning to talk. That just hit me as funny.

Biden is to Obama what Tom Willis was to George Jefferson: token dumb white guy. The VP debate may be the highlight of this election season. LOL

[mikegideon]

I think Ryan is going to eat him alive.

That's where I would put my money...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MNKfbO_PvkI

Edited October 10, 2012 by mikegideon

[Jonnin]

lol I have yet to see biden go an entire event without at least one uberstoopid comment.

[gjohnsoniv]

lol I have yet to see biden go an entire event without at least one uberstoopid comment.

Maybe he's just been playing dumb and fooling everyone. LOL

[Guest ThePunisher]

Yeah, everything I see seems to indicate that Obama is doubling down and is going to come across as a condescending narcissist in the next debate as well.

I do enjoy how the left is suddenly rallying behind Joe Biden. Seems a bit of a stretch to pin your debate hopes on him. I think Ryan is going to eat him alive.

Sort of like a helpless feeling of a drowning man. Pinning hopes on Biden tells me and the American people that the Obama administration realize they are sinking in quicksand up to the neck, and there is no recue rope to be thrown to them. Ryan will hold his own especially if it comes down to facts and numbers. Ryan will paint a stark contrast between the Romney/Ryan plans of turning our country around with real economical hope, and the failed Marxist/Socialist "Hope and Change" of 4 years ago that has divided our nation more than any time since the Civil War, and put our nation on the brink of total economic collapse.

Edited October 10, 2012 by ThePunisher

[TrickyNicky]

Maybe he's just been plain dumb and fooling no one. LOL

FTFY

[leroy]

I think Romney will win in a landslide ALA Reagan vs Carter. The polls are lying (...for the most part...), but ya notice they are slowly comming around to the "real forecast". Neither the pollsters (...who actually get paid for asking the right questions the right way....) and the newspaper pundits (....who love nobama, but have to keep some smidgen of truth in their reporting....) can afford to shill for nobama anymore. RE: voter fraud. There will be voter fraud wherever it works (...think the deep blue inner cities here....). I dont think it will mean anything this round; because i believe the turnout for this election will be big. Ya cant steal an election unless the vote is lose. I firmly believe this election is Romney's to loose.

Heres hopin.

leroy

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I do, too, Leroy. There was one place estimating 330 + electoral votes going to Romney. That kills

Obama. I think Romney will keep his cards close and let Obama dig his own grave. Ryan has nothing

to worry about, either. Biden will sling mud, but it washes off easily.

[gjohnsoniv]

FTFY

Thanks, lol.

[mj12]

I think Romney will win in a landslide ALA Reagan vs Carter ... I firmly believe this election is Romney's to loose.

I pray to God you're right

[mikegideon]

'bout damn time we saw some optimism up in this place

[Defender]

I've been thinking about the role of money in the election over the last couple of days. Three thoughts:

First, this article in the WSJ yesterday noting how Goldman Sachs has done a complete 180 abandoning giving to Obama in favor of giving to Romney: http://blogs.wsj.com...=goldman romney

Second, a comment overheard yesterday made by a Goldman insider stating, "I like Romney because he is just like me."

Lastly, as I think about these things, I keep coming back to the old Emma Goldman quote, "if voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." Mind you, she was an anarchist, but for some reason it seems relevant to this discussion.

Thoughts?

I hope youre right.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

'bout damn time we saw some optimism up in this place

I was wondering the same, with all the crap spreading about Obama, Hillary, Libya, Biden being

prepared to bulldog Ryan. Even the media is beginning to crack in spots here and there. Ain't no reason

to be pessimistic.

Romney needs to keep the patriotic message going, and jump all over Obama about those people that

were killed trying to do their job with little or no security. That drum needs to be beat hard and often.

He can win this thing!

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Yeah, everything I see seems to indicate that Obama is doubling down and is going to come across as a condescending narcissist in the next debate as well.

I do enjoy how the left is suddenly rallying behind Joe Biden. Seems a bit of a stretch to pin your debate hopes on him. I think Ryan is going to eat him alive.

The obama thang on the second debate may have shades of the Gore-Bush debates? Can't recall particulars except Gore came off real weird on the first debate, so the advisors messed with his mind on "alpha-male" coaching, which caused Gore to come off even more bizarre in the second debate. There's just some people who never learn to dance regardless of how many lessons. One would think Obama ought to have it down at this point of his career, so if they coach him on a bunch of "new moves" it will just make Obama even more awkward and dweebish next time.

Obama always looked like a stammering yuppie dweeb to me from the beginnings of the 2008 cycle, so am not good at judging his chances or "normal people's" reactions, because he NEVER showed me anything to write home about.

It is difficult for a partisan to judge who "wins" a debate, because if a fella halfway muddles thru explaining ideas that I agree with, then I'll most likely think he won the debate, because he had the "correct" answers regardless of how inelegant they were explained. Like some feller who gets 100 percent on a math exam but can't explain how he did it. Or there was this high school kid who worked at an electronic repair shop long ago, aspbergers all the way, even the Moe Howard bowl haircut. Talking to that guy you would never suspect him knowing the first thing about electronics, but he could fix stuff faster than anybody I've ever seen. Spooky to watch him, kinda like a "pinball wizard" repairman, practically fixing gear by sense of smell.

I could see Romney convincing lots of folks he won a debate without changing any minds. By analogy, for instance if that vapid loudmouth Bill O'Reilly were to debate bridge building with some shy stammering (but competent) civil engineer, and of course O'Reilly wins the debate hands-down-- Does that mean O'Reilly gets hired to design a big suspension bridge? I bet the shy stammering civil engineer gets the gig regardless of losing the debate. That example came to mind because there are video clips of that ignoramus "winning" debates against quite competent scientists and other assorted experts.

Not that I think Obama has even a clue, but people who agree with Obama will stay with Obama regardless of getting trounced in a debate. They will believe that Obama has the "correct answers" even if he fails to explain it well..

The Ryan-Biden debate has rather good odds of being one of the funniest political spectacles in history. Talk about a fence-post turtle-- Biden is more a post-turtle than Obama could ever be. Some years back Biden had multiple emergency brain surgeries from having a dangerous stroke. The guy's got to have brain damage. Ain't sayin anything bad about people with brain damage. Brain damage doesn't make a guy evil, but OTOH it makes no sense to hire somebody with brain damage for the job of assistant leader of the free world! There are millions and millions of non-brain-damaged people you could hire! Unless it was sposed to be some kind of social-justice equal-opportunity hire.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Winning a debate is subjective, Lester. It is difficult as you say, but the winner in a debate like this will

be the one who makes the strong points stick in the minds of the people watching. That's all. No amount

of media spinning to make Obama look like something he's not affects a win or loss.

The only thing that matters is the one who is perceived as a presidential character. Obama can't win one

unless Romney just flat turns into a kindergarten contender, and Romney is a very skilled speaker. Just

consider the successful businessman who has to walk into a room full of board members and show them what

he can do to build that company back. He has to "sell" himself first. He has a lot of practice and he's made

a fortune doing it. That first debate should be proof enough of what he is capable of.

You have to be a big dog to run with the pack.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Do not discount Biden one bit. He isn't the buffoon a lot of people think he is. While on the senate judicial

committee, Ole Joe tore up a bunch of candidates starting with the Reagan administration. He's a low down

fighter. That stupid act of his has been honed and perfected for over 30 years in the senate. He has been

using it for a long time. I don't understand why he is successful with it. It's only a ruse and any candidate

that he used it on could be somewhat endearing and throw it back in his face, but they never seem to.

Ryan can toast him easily. Ryan has a good BS detector and seems to be agile with words, also. He's a good

VP candidate for a lot of reasons.

[mikegideon]

The beauty of that debate was that people were forced to see what Romney really is, instead of just have their opinion formed by liberal propaganda.

[Guest ThePunisher]

Yep, the liberal media sure didn't like the results they witnessed, even though they tried to give a good spin that Romney cheated or the Mile high air made Obama light headed. I'm interested to see what excuses they use next time.