Firearms confiscation. How would it go down?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If you want to use Sadman Hussein as an example, consider that if a President did something like that, he will need

more than the Secret Service protecting him because he would incite a war. Americans are not Iraqi's and are not

about to let such a blatant attempt stop them from creating more havoc than you could imagine.

 

Even Hitler did a more effective job without killing people, first.

 

I can see a time in the future when we could end up with a dictator, but this guy ain't it. He might want to think that

way, which I doubt, but if he was to do it, it would be by having his "useful idiots" do his dirty work. They have been

identified and won't be so effective. In fact, they would some of the first casualties in a EFAD like scenario. They

would have some very large targets on their backs.

[Oh Shoot]

There is a very slight posiblity that people could band together and fight off the government. This has a very slim chance of working because it's hard to get a very big group to come together on anything and because of the fear of death or severe prosecution of the prople. There just aren't that many patriots around anymore.

 

Well, to opine a contrary notion to that, it might only take about 1/300th of the population to make this kind of quick um, "change". Which would be a Million Man March of a different ilk. :)

 

Maybe just a million still ambulatory old farts, who may have a different mindset about just what they have left to lose, and are certainly the group that would consider themselves the most stalwart patriots. This (so far) fantasy, of course, would all depend on just what the roughly 2.3 times more active military and reserves combined would really do.

 

Then again, there's the old as war itself guerrilla tactic. A million dedicated folks around he country in groups of 10-20 could really have an impact doing various ... stuff. Especially if the economy keeps sliding, and federal resources slide with it.

 

I do believe the Revolutionary War was won with something around that 1/300th of the population taking up arms. Or less, I disremember the estimates I've read. And against even greater disparity in forces, counting the American Loyalists, Germans, and injuns.

 

Soon as the first 999,999 commit, I may jump right in there myself. ;)

 

- OS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DaveTN]

The govenment can (if they have the balls) effectively disarm the population. You just use the same tactics that are used to make you pay taxes, you make a really bad example of a few so the others are brought in line for fear it will happen to them. Now there will be some diehards that won't comply but they will either have to go into hiding or will be killed. n
 
Read the story about how Saddam Hussein came to power. If you can make a bad enough example of a few, the rest will fall in line.
 
I like to think I'd be one of the ones that stood my ground and may have to go into hiding but you never know what you'd do untill faced with it.
 
There is a very slight posiblity that people could band together and fight off the government. This has a very slim chance of working because it's hard to get a very big group to come together on anything and because of the fear of death or severe prosecution of the prople. There just aren't that many patriots around anymore.
 
One other option would be to try and cause total economic collapse. That would strain government resources and they would have more of the people to have to deal with and could also lead to a breakdown in govenment. Things would be bad in this situation but at least we'd still have our freedom.

There are a few Patriots left, but they aren’t discussing how to overthrow our government. Those trying to overthrow or destroy our government would know who we were because we would be the ones they would be facing when they decided to take up arms against Americans. “We” are our “Government” and any unlawful acts against us would not end well for the enemy combatants.

Because of our “government” (our Constitution and the Legislative, Judicial, and Executive branches) someone like Hussein or Hitler can’t gain power. If our “government” collapses we will lose everything including our freedom.

I don’t like Obama being in office any better than anyone else, but it isn’t the end of our country. I have no doubt that he will pull out all the stops on gun control. I think he was going to do it anyway, but he will certainly manipulate this tragedy for his political gain. We have to put our trust in our elected officials to do what’s right.

Our Supreme Court has recently ruled that you have a right to own arms under the 2nd amendment. They have left the bearing of arms laws up to the states. Obama can’t change that. Yes, he will try to ban hi-capacity magazines and he will probably get that done. He will try to ban AR’s; I doubt he will get that done. We will be going through some though gun legislation, but no one can ignore the Heller and McDonald decisions. Legislation may be passed that will have to make its way through the courts; but that is what we will have to do.

[mikegideon]

There are a few Patriots left, but they aren’t discussing how to overthrow our government. Those trying to overthrow or destroy our government would know who we were because we would be the ones they would be facing when they decided to take up arms against Americans. “We” are our “Government” and any unlawful acts against us would not end well for the enemy combatants.

Because of our “government” (our Constitution and the Legislative, Judicial, and Executive branches) someone like Hussein or Hitler can’t gain power. If our “government” collapses we will lose everything including our freedom.

I don’t like Obama being in office any better than anyone else, but it isn’t the end of our country. I have no doubt that he will pull out all the stops on gun control. I think he was going to do it anyway, but he will certainly manipulate this tragedy for his political gain. We have to put our trust in our elected officials to do what’s right.

Our Supreme Court has recently ruled that you have a right to own arms under the 2nd amendment. They have left the bearing of arms laws up to the states. Obama can’t change that. Yes, he will try to ban hi-capacity magazines and he will probably get that done. He will try to ban AR’s; I doubt he will get that done. We will be going through some though gun legislation, but no one can ignore the Heller and McDonald decisions. Legislation may be passed that will have to make its way through the courts; but that is what we will have to do.

Good thing my PMAGS only hold 10 rounds of .458 SOCOM. It's a dried up California Hag's dream.

[Guest TNSovereignty]

I've been doing some reading on the broad, assumed powers of the President in times of "emergency" ... I think our past few presidents, including BHO, are brazen enough to do whatever they think 50.1% of the people will support.  I walk in relatively conservative Christian circles and am still amazed at the numbers of people who support gun restrictions/prohibitions.  Frankly, I don't think our elected officials will have much say in the matter if POTUS exercises emergency powers, and if the socialists craft their anti-gun policy with enough ambiguity (of which they are masters), they'll pull off a confiscatory policy that will be cloaked in constitutional language, however contorted, and since most people Americans are not trained to think, they'll laud the President for preserving peace & security.  I've worked in the WH as a military aide ... I learned that the power is with the unelected staff, and that's where our constitutional enemies are ensconced, and they're the ones that are hard at work writing position papers and floating executive options that strip us of our liberties.  

 

The answer, my friends, lies in community.  Our answers don't lie in Nashville or DC ... the question is whether we have enough strength and unity at the local level to defy federal overreach.  I'm more interested in knowing where my Sheriff stands than whether Corker or Alexander will fold under the scathing gaze of Schumer, et al.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I am, too. You made some great points.

[Guest ThePunisher]

[quote name="Oh Shoot" post="861705" time="1355716269".
 
I do believe the Revolutionary War was won with something around that 1/300th of the population taking up arms. Or less, I disremember the estimates I've read. And against even greater disparity in forces, counting the American Loyalists, Germans, and injuns.
 
Soon as the first 999,999 commit, I may jump right in there myself. ;)
 
- OS[/quote]
Yeah, us old farts are too old to become slaves to government tyranny. But I believe there are more than a million old farts that would commit.

[K191145]

I would be curious to know how many AR's and AK types, and 30+ round mags sell in the comming weeks and months. I remember the 94 ban that probably sold more AR's AK types, SKS's, and 30+ round mags since they first came on the market. I also wonder how they plan to address the "millions" of araksks's already in circulation not to forget that many have been sold over and over so a paper trail is usless, so who knows who has them and who don't? Also, many people paid $1000's + on their firearms, do they think people will voluntarily surrender property they paid hard earned money for? Some will I know but I don't believe, or at least I don't want to believe there's that many people who would comply.

[Commando68]

I've never heard the spineless, gutless, socialist, statist left wing, hoplophobes scream and whine for control like this before. These msnbc slime are preying on the guilt of the flock to press their agenda. We are breeding a generation of weak, dependent sheep. Pitiful.

[Links2k]

There are a few Patriots left, but they aren’t discussing how to overthrow our government. Those trying to overthrow or destroy our government would know who we were because we would be the ones they would be facing when they decided to take up arms against Americans. “We” are our “Government” and any unlawful acts against us would not end well for the enemy combatants.Because of our “government” (our Constitution and the Legislative, Judicial, and Executive branches) someone like Hussein or Hitler can’t gain power. If our “government” collapses we will lose everything including our freedom.I don’t like Obama being in office any better than anyone else, but it isn’t the end of our country. I have no doubt that he will pull out all the stops on gun control. I think he was going to do it anyway, but he will certainly manipulate this tragedy for his political gain. We have to put our trust in our elected officials to do what’s right.Our Supreme Court has recently ruled that you have a right to own arms under the 2nd amendment. They have left the bearing of arms laws up to the states. Obama can’t change that. Yes, he will try to ban hi-capacity magazines and he will probably get that done. He will try to ban AR’s; I doubt he will get that done. We will be going through some though gun legislation, but no one can ignore the Heller and McDonald decisions. Legislation may be passed that will have to make its way through the courts; but that is what we will have to do.

I thought the nut jobs were told this in another thread. I'm certain that somewhere in the dark recesses of their minds, one of the better known assassins since McVay thought that he was a patriot and was going to be the father of a new revolution. In reality, he will only be dead.

[jilly]

They'll probably regulate or tax ammo and guns to death, rather than openly confiscate.

But I never thought the gov't would force citizens to get naked-x-rayed to get on a plane, or force them to buy a product, so who knows....

[Links2k]

I would be curious to know how many AR's and AK types, and 30+ round mags sell in the comming weeks and months. I remember the 94 ban that probably sold more AR's AK types, SKS's, and 30+ round mags since they first came on the market. I also wonder how they plan to address the "millions" of araksks's already in circulation not to forget that many have been sold over and over so a paper trail is usless, so who knows who has them and who don't? Also, many people paid $1000's + on their firearms, do they think people will voluntarily surrender property they paid hard earned money for? Some will I know but I don't believe, or at least I don't want to believe there's that many people who would comply.

Won't be an issue for me. Since the economy got bad I've had to barter off every gun that I had just to keep food on the table and pay tuition. I don't even have a receipt for the beans that I got in return.

[Links2k]

I've never heard the spineless, gutless, socialist, statist left wing, hoplophobes scream and whine for control like this before. These msnbc slime are preying on the guilt of the flock to press their agenda. We are breeding a generation of weak, dependent sheep. Pitiful.

If you think that MSNBC is bad, you should see some of my Facebook post from preachers. In my opinion, some of them are setting their parishioners up for failure. No one, not even the parson can tell me how to protect mi familia.

[Guest sventvkg]

I've been doing some reading on the broad, assumed powers of the President in times of "emergency" ... I think our past few presidents, including BHO, are brazen enough to do whatever they think 50.1% of the people will support.  I walk in relatively conservative Christian circles and am still amazed at the numbers of people who support gun restrictions/prohibitions.  Frankly, I don't think our elected officials will have much say in the matter if POTUS exercises emergency powers, and if the socialists craft their anti-gun policy with enough ambiguity (of which they are masters), they'll pull off a confiscatory policy that will be cloaked in constitutional language, however contorted, and since most people Americans are not trained to think, they'll laud the President for preserving peace & security.  I've worked in the WH as a military aide ... I learned that the power is with the unelected staff, and that's where our constitutional enemies are ensconced, and they're the ones that are hard at work writing position papers and floating executive options that strip us of our liberties.  

 

The answer, my friends, lies in community.  Our answers don't lie in Nashville or DC ... the question is whether we have enough strength and unity at the local level to defy federal overreach.  I'm more interested in knowing where my Sheriff stands than whether Corker or Alexander will fold under the scathing gaze of Schumer, et al.

 

Great insight. Our enemies are well known thanks to former Military just like yourself. If this goes hot I'm quite sure those that would fight against the Tyranny would know exactly who to arrest. 

 

Another point, being former Military, do you believe a majority of the troops and the higher ranking staff officers would support gun confiscation of American citizens thus voiding their oaths? I myself believe there enough true patriots in our Military to thwart such an event and if things ever did go hot the Patriots would have a sizable percentage of the Military on their side. LE would be wiped out to the point of insignificance within a few days. There's a lot of us Former Vets who will not be going along with the suspension of our Constitution.

[gregintenn]

Firearms confiscation. How would it go down?

 

 

Hide and watch! I believe you will shortly be able to witness it first hand.

[dlm37015]

Great insight. Our enemies are well known thanks to former Military just like yourself. If this goes hot I'm quite sure those that would fight against the Tyranny would know exactly who to arrest. 

 

Another point, being former Military, do you believe a majority of the troops and the higher ranking staff officers would support gun confiscation of American citizens thus voiding their oaths? I myself believe there enough true patriots in our Military to thwart such an event and if things ever did go hot the Patriots would have a sizable percentage of the Military on their side. LE would be wiped out to the point of insignificance within a few days. There's a lot of us Former Vets who will not be going along with the suspension of our Constitution.

if you havent been watching the purge of the military has been going on for a while

[DaveTN]

Great insight. Our enemies are well known thanks to former Military just like yourself. If this goes hot I'm quite sure those that would fight against the Tyranny would know exactly who to arrest. 
 
Another point, being former Military, do you believe a majority of the troops and the higher ranking staff officers would support gun confiscation of American citizens thus voiding their oaths? I myself believe there enough true patriots in our Military to thwart such an event and if things ever did go hot the Patriots would have a sizable percentage of the Military on their side. LE would be wiped out to the point of insignificance within a few days. There's a lot of us Former Vets who will not be going along with the suspension of our Constitution.

What are you talking about? Why is the Military going to be used for Law Enforcement and who is going to “wipe out” law enforcement?

[Guest TNSovereignty]

Another point, being former Military, do you believe a majority of the troops and the higher ranking staff officers would support gun confiscation of American citizens thus voiding their oaths? I myself believe there enough true patriots in our Military to thwart such an event and if things ever did go hot the Patriots would have a sizable percentage of the Military on their side. LE would be wiped out to the point of insignificance within a few days. There's a lot of us Former Vets who will not be going along with the suspension of our Constitution.

Generally I think you're right.  Although I was underwhelmed by the number of servicemembers who had sworn to defend a Constitution they had never read.  Too many, particularly in the officer corps, seemed to have a misguided allegiance to the government vice the people.  But if the federal government's massive propaganda machine labeled us as domestic terrorists I'm concerned a lot of uniformed members would go with the flow.  Not slamming our servicemembers ... I know I had misguided loyalties as a young junior officer.  (But then again, those were the Reagan years :))

 

 

if you havent been watching the purge of the military has been going on for a while

If by purge you mean a lot of good patriots getting passed over for promotion, you'd be right.  There are some great senior leaders in the military today - warriors are still crucial - but the warriors have little sway in the Pentagon.  The military chews up their warriors & spits them out when they're no longer needed.  After a couple of decades worth of multiculturalism and relativism, a lot of good officers and NCO's purge themselves!  

 

What are you talking about? Why is the Military going to be used for Law Enforcement and who is going to “wipe out” law enforcement?

Well, if we're talking about enforcement of a potential federal confiscation, and the states aren't helpful supportive (let's hope TN holds fast), then it's not too far out of the realm of the possible that military units might be discusses as an option.  There are just so many ATF goon squads and federal paramilitary stormtroopers ... if they truly wanted to confiscate I can't see how they'd pull it off without the military.  

[mikegideon]

Hide and watch! I believe you will shortly be able to witness it first hand.

Just having a hard time visualizing them putting YOUR guns in THEIR trunk. That could turn into a lead story on Channel 5 :)

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Most of the Soldiers I've ever met around Fort Campbell appear to have a better grasp of the Constitution than

most civilians do. Maybe I've only met the good ones, but somehow I doubt it.

[Tedro2022]

Just having a hard time visualizing them putting YOUR guns in THEIR trunk. That could turn into a lead story on Channel 5 :)

They'll be getting something else in their trunk if they come for mine. Sorry, but I'm not turning mine over. Next they'll come for the shirt off my back and the Bibles on my bookshelves. I won't stand for it.




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[G27ATT]

[quote name='Tedro2022' timestamp='1355807212' post='862444'] Just having a hard time visualizing them putting YOUR guns in THEIR trunk. That could turn into a lead story on Channel 5 :) They'll be getting something else in their trunk if they come for mine. Sorry, but I'm not turning mine over. Next they'll come for the shirt off my back and the Bibles on my bookshelves. I won't stand for it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote] Bingo. There is another thread asking what would be your trigger event. Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2

[thefinder808]

I'm confident we will see an "assault" weapons ban, as well as a hi-cap magazine ban in the next few months being voted on. I'm also confident it will pass. If this is all that happens within the next 4 years IMO we can consider ourselves lucky. My biggest fear (and probably many of the people on this forum) is ammunition regulation, as the 2nd amendment doesn't really protect us from that. Making ammo (including reloading supplies) prohibitively expensive, or banning NATO used calibers would be an enormous blow to us (the firearms community), and IMO wouldn't cause a tenth of the backlash that firearm confiscation would. I'm fairly sure those type ammo laws would hold up under supreme court scrutiny. 

 

Maybe I'm being a "Negative Nancy" here but I believe that this is the beginning of the end for our 2nd amendment freedoms. Don't get me wrong, they've already been eroded, but I believe we are now on the "fast" track to the end. I said this in another post but imagine when everyone in America has "free" health insurance provided by the Democratic party. Think about trying to beat them in an election! I sincerely believe that in maybe 20-25 years (of continuous Democratic admins) the firearms community will consist of only a hand full of wealthy people across the country who could afford the red tape BS, and with only minor backlash from the public throughout the process to get to that point. 

 

Agree? Disagree? 

 

                      TheFinder

Edited December 18, 2012 by thefinder808

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I will ask for the rational argument for any of the things you think will

happen. There are no rational arguments for any of them. Only emotional ones can be made for any weapon

or magazine ban. As for ammunition, the same holds true. If the Congress(House) caves on the issue and

allows any of this to take place through a bill, and we don't see an illegal EO, the Republican majority is gone.

There will be a majority, once more, for the Democrats to take the wrecking ball to the Constitution.

 

John Boehner is getting close to losing his Speaker position. I hope he does because he is the one in the GOP

who is the front man wrecking the GOP.

 

We've all gotten caught up in this media blitz about the tragedy and, even though it was sad to find out about,

there remains no rational argument for any type of further weapon or ammunition restriction. In fact, there is an

even better argument for loosening every damn restriction placed against the 2nd Amendment.

 

Everything rests on the resolve of one man in DC, and I'm not comfortable with him at all.

 

There will be cries and emotions placed over the TV sets of America, but I think it will fall on enough deaf ears to

force Obama to do the wrong thing, which, by the way, will be an illegal act.

[gregintenn]

They'll be getting something else in their trunk if they come for mine. Sorry, but I'm not turning mine over. Next they'll come for the shirt off my back and the Bibles on my bookshelves. I won't stand for it.




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I'm thinking it was a volume joke. :ugh: