Why does Homeland Security need 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition?

[DaveTN]

Think about that for a few minutes and let that sink in.

Okay... I did that.

As far as Homeland Security buying 1.4 billion rounds worth of "carry" ammunition, it is at the very least curious in nature and absolutely terrifying to think about at it's very worst.

I am not sure which way to feel at this point, but I can't shake the same sort of feeling of impending dread that some folks must have also been feeling in Germany circa mid 1930's.

I sure hope I am wrong, but I am seeing the same sort of "blame those people over there for all of your problems" rhetoric & policies that they did so I can't help but wonder just how far this administration is willing to go down that same road.

If Jeremia Wright & Bill Ares (sp) are any indication of just how radical this President's administration could be, than I am afraid that they might be willing to travel all of the way down that exact same road in order to get the nation to where they want this nation to be.

Which is not anything remotely like it is or ever has been before.

Obama is just a man; he can’t do anything on his own.

What is it that you think these tens of thousands of American citizens are going to do to you?

[RichardR]

Okay... I did that.

Obama is just a man; he can’t do anything on his own.

What is it that you think these tens of thousands of American citizens are going to do to you?

*shrug* what typically happens?

And I'd probably put the number of hard-core leftists in this country easily in the millions, at the very least there are more than enough for a prudent man to take seriously.

Anyway I've dismissed a lot of this sort of stuff over the years, now I am wondering if it would have been wiser if I had been paying more attention.

[hornett22]

Sure. Every organization in the government does it. In fact, I've seen it used as career stumper before, where an individual that had such an excess that wasn't used at the end of the year ended up with a negative bullet on their evaluation report because it caused the budget for the next year to be lower. The system is actually set up to encourage waste, and not doing so could cost you a promotion or position. Is it right? No, of course not. Is it normal? Absolutely.

I know it goes on. I have listened to enogh people brag about doing it over the years. Unacceptable.

[TMF]

I know it goes on. I have listened to enogh people brag about doing it over the years. Unacceptable.

Agreed. I was trying to draw attention to it being a systemic problem with our gov rather than an issue plaguing only one organization.

[Guest ThePunisher]

DHS has just placed another order of 22 million rounds of .40 and 9.mm JHP ammo. Must be getting ready for lots of practice shooting.

[mcurrier]

Obama building a personal army at the Department of Homeland Security

http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-building-a-personal-army-at-the-department-of-homeland-security/

[Spiffy]

There were lots of good reasons given last time around. Is this a new order?

Also remember, this is the end of the fiscal year, meaning that gov agencies need to spend whatever is in their budgets so they don't get reduced next year. I know that sounds stoopid and wasteful, because it is, but having been a useless gov employee once, I can remember on many occasions sitting in a meeting in September regarding how much we need to spend and how quick we need to spend it.

And regarding the fact they purchased HP ammo, it really means nothing. The other thread has all the explanations so I'm not retyping it. The thing to remember, if your job is turning wrenches on an aircraft, you have to accept the possibility that you don't understand the intricacies and inner workings of an organization that has multiple agencies under their wing. Perhaps, just perhaps, there are reasonable answers out there if you just look.

 

 

This is where some of them come up with Hookers and Blow isn't it..........

[Moped]

What the heck?!?!?

[Guest nra37922]

Love to know where it all is being stockpiled

[Randall53]

I don't know about tin foil hats and "boogers" under the bed, but just a few years ago I would never have imagined we would have the president we have now. Not because he's black, but because of his history of exposure to government radicals and his sharing in their obsession with Marxist Socialism. also, the complete failure of vetting by a media that instead, has built a bubble of protection around him. Add to this his re-election by the very people that ignored all of this and even suffered through 4 years of unemployment and a failing economy.

I simply blows my mind.

[TMF]

This is where some of them come up with Hookers and Blow isn't it..........

Too cheap. It must be higher end items than that.

[Worriedman]

They need this ammo to practice with in the secret war games they are staging to inter us all into the FEMA Camps after the Nobama election riots of late 2012 and early 2013.
They need the practice. After all, it took two NY policemen, 15 to 17 shots, and 9 wounded passerbys to get one bad guy in new york the other day. They will confiscate the next one billion rounds of ammo right after the election. I would recommend checking to see if they have bought a billion gallons of aviation fuel for the FEMA black helicopters.

.....looney leroy opining from the supersecret bunker deep in the hills of east tennessee. ....

My real advice; quit worrying about this. We are an armed society. Who is gonna come and take your guns? More importantly, who is gonna suspend the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the State and Federal courts??? Who is gonna run over all the individual state governments and local police and sheriff departments to do all this bad stuff???

Food for thought.

leroy

 

A little taste of history to explain how it could, (and has) happened.

 

The Jew Alfred Flatow was found to be in possession of one
revolver with twenty-two rounds of ammunition, two pocket pistols, one
dagger, and thirty one knuckledusters. Arms in the hands of Jews are a
danger to public safety.

Police First Sergeant Colisle
Via an arrest report from Berlin, October 4, 1938.
He was arrested based on the above while attempting to comply with an
order to turn in all firearms to the government. His firearm was legally
owned and registered. It wasn’t until November 11, 1938 that the
Weapons Control Act of 1938 went into effect making it illegal for Jews
to own firearms. Hence, he was arrested while complying with the law at the time.

After his arrest he was turned over to the Gestapo and transported to
Terezin in October of 1942. He died of starvation in the Theresienstadt
concentration camp in December 1942.
Journal on Firearms & Public Policy Volume 21, Fall 2009, “Arms in the Hands of Jews Are a Danger to Public Safety”: Nazism, Firearm Registration, and the Night of the Broken Glass, pages 28 & 29.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Worriedman

[Guest PapaB]

I think they're just stockpiling it in case we need it during a crisis. When the SHTF they'll tell us where it's located so we can get whatever we need to protect ourselves. :screwy:

 

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[battleop]

Be careful bringing this subject up....one of the moderators locked my thread up because of this. I brought this up before and asked the same question. It makes no sense. You do not train with the rounds that you carry....that makes no sense at all and its an expense that any government agency would automaticly deny. How do you practice with hallowpoints....its just not done......you practice with the cheapest rounds possible, then carry the rounds you feel neccessary to nuetralize the threat you feel that you think you will encounter. Makes you wonder what threat do they think they will encounter. Mine covered the Social Security Agency departments questionable purchase, maybe they will leave your thread alone....good luck.

 

I know several agents that fall under DHS and they do practice with what they carry.  When they order ammo from what ever depot they get it from they just specify caliber and how much they need.  They don't specify if it's for practice or duty.

[battleop]

Here's what the NRA has to say about
http://www.nraila.or...ammunition.aspx

 

This pretty much says it's a 5 year contract.  1.4 Billion / 5 years / 50000 officers = 5600 rounds per officer.   Many of these officers / agents must qualify 4 times per year so that is not a lot of ammo per officer over the next 5 years when you consider that many have to qualify with both pistol and rifle calibers.

[glock55]

Sorry wrong post Edited February 9, 2013 by glock55