carry ing a gun and asked to leave hypothetical

[SHbicycle]

You can't make me leave.

[Guest tcampbell]

Tungstens wife doesn't speak English?

I was talking about you...after all...not too long ago, you had a post about wanting to find a permit class in spanish for your wife. Besides, I would never say anything even remotely like that to Tungsten

[Guest tcampbell]

Sounds like you have a problem with your state representatives. They made the law not me. It also sounds as if you have a problem with the stores where you shop. If you disagree with their policy then don't shop there.

Maybe you should follow your own advice. Maybe you should use common sense and conceal your weapon. I was at Opry Mills and Rivergate Mall today. I had my weapon concealed. I didn't try to create any issues, and there were no issues...

[Guest tcampbell]

I wrote an email yesterday. I'm going to get a file together to present it to the manager if I can get a meeting.

Ok....so suppose Voldemort is shopping at the mall after he convinced them to have legal postings on all of their entrances. A few BG's walk in and start shooting people. Voldemort now has another reason to sue ?

:D

[Guest nraforlife]

Ok....so suppose Voldemort is shopping at the mall after he convinced them to have legal postings on all of their entrances. A few BG's walk in and start shooting people. Voldemort now has another reason to sue ?

:D

IF we could ever get to loser pays, then maybe just maybe, folks would quit this 'I'm going to sue you' at the drop of a hat BS...

Anyone know the Spanish word for jerk?

[Mike.357]

the Spanish word for jerk?

viscerales (?)

[GLOCKMEISTER]

well no offense but keep the gun covered up or leave it at home now that you think all this might happen, buy a cell phone for you and the wife, NEVER GIVE YOUR WIFE THE KEYS AND MONEY IN ANY SHOPPING MALL...

Hypothetical Problem solved "hypothetically"

[Guest nraforlife]

... NEVER GIVE YOUR WIFE THE KEYS AND MONEY IN ANY SHOPPING MALL...

But if you try this you may well wish you were armed.

[The Rabbi]

The funny thing is how we (people in general) accept discrimination against armed citizens.

If someone was asked to leave a business (or a sign posted) because of their gender, race, sexual orientation, religious beliefs people would be in outrage.

Thats because asking someone to leave for those things is illegal. And OT but I have seen Libertarians wrap themselves up like a pretzel trying to explain why the law is bad.

Anyway, business owners can post however they like and make their wishes known. I am going to go concealed and skrew them, it should never be an issue. Not too long ago Steelharp made a comment here about the number of guns in a downtown club on any given night.

[ls-vtec]

since when do shopping malls have their own laws ? if its inside your carry permit area u should be able to carry there . why go through the trouble to get a permit if u cant carry it .

[The Rabbi]

since when do shopping malls have their own laws ? if its inside your carry permit area u should be able to carry there . why go through the trouble to get a permit if u cant carry it .

It's that private property thing.

[Punisher84]

It's that private property thing.

Pesky friggin' thing...

[Guest kwikrnu]

Bond money and having a lawyer on retainer…. That is all you need.

Since you know that the mall is posted, and since the AG’s opinion seems to verify that it is posted legally; you are once again preparing to get into a pizzing match with the authorities that you are going to lose.

So just let your family know that if you are not at the designated meeting place; check the local jail.

You're saying the AG says opry mills mall is posted with a sign which meets the legal requirement? What AG opinion is that?

[DaveTN]

You're saying the AG says opry mills mall is posted with a sign which meets the legal requirement? What AG opinion is that?

http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2007/OP/OP43.pdf

No, the AG has made no ruling on Opry Mills. He has painted with broad strokes the requirements. Do you know that Opry Mills is posted? Do you understand that they don’t want you carrying a gun in there? That is all that is required.

HCP involves no rights; it is simply a privilege that you have bought from the state. Private property owners on the other hand have rights, responsibilities, and civil liabilities. If you don’t agree with their rules; don’t enter.

If you decide to become the poster child for handgun carry on private property then you are free to push the limits until you are arrested. Then you can take your case to court. You will either win and have case law that we can all point to and say what a great guy you are, or you will just be another convicted criminal. I predict the latter.

[bobmack]

hi

well said 'davetn'. --- but some people won't give up pushing an issue. -- right or wrong.

might be time to put this thread to rest.

bob

[Fallguy]

It's that private property thing.

You're right...

It's just that it is private property that is Open to the Public. Not really like your house. IMO there should be different rules. Also...the government already tells Private Property owners many things they can/can't allow on their property. Just like they've said you have to allow in certain groups of people I mentioned above and also now they've said you can't allow smoking in most cases.

So, as others have said, there should be something that exempts a property owner from liabilty of the actions of HCP holders.

So is there really full control of private property by the owner?

Edited June 1, 2008 by Fallguy

[Fallguy]

http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2007/OP/OP43.pdf

No, the AG has made no ruling on Opry Mills. He has painted with broad strokes the requirements. Do you know that Opry Mills is posted? Do you understand that they don’t want you carrying a gun in there? That is all that is required.

Dave I would slightly disagree....the AG and the law (39-17-1359) both say a sign has to be worded substantially similar to 39-17-1359 among other requirements.

But granted...whether a sign posted somewhere is substantially similar or not could end up being a matter for a court to decided after you are charged. Also...as we all know and have said...if asked to leave...all bets are off whether the place is posted or not...also while it may or may not affect others, it is good way to get yourself permanently banned from the property when armed or maybe period.

[Guest canynracer]

We can discuss what "should be" till we are blue in the face and there is rust on our guns. It does not change the fact that it isnt.

By law, the property owner has the right to not allow you to carry in their establishment. It really doesnt matter about how it is posted cause you know what the intent is. If it is posted incorrectly, they ask you to leave....correctly, well it is the next step....

Regardless of what is your right, or their right, they made a request that you not carry. period.

If Rabbi said no loaded weapons in his shop, he has that right, and may have a reason that he does not have to explain...just respect his wish as a business owner, or dont shop there.

If you MUST do SOMETHING to make a difference, write your letters to congress to change things.

[strickj]

Um Kwirk,do you open carry?

You said other wise here http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84518&postcount=6

Quite being an idiot and ruffling feathers just out of slits and giggles

[The Rabbi]

And what kind of fun would that be??

[Guest kwikrnu]

Ask the lady who took out a restraining order on me if I open carry. She had pictures to prove it... I'd like a nice pm9, S&W 342, PM45 or maybe one of those new p380's to pocket carry though...

[Guest kwikrnu]

Dave I would slightly disagree....the AG and the law (39-17-1359) both say a sign has to be worded substantially similar to 39-17-1359 among other requirements.

But granted...whether a sign posted somewhere is substantially similar or not could end up being a matter for a court to decided after you are charged. Also...as we all know and have said...if asked to leave...all bets are off whether the place is posted or not...also while it may or may not affect others, it is good way to get yourself permanently banned from the property when armed or maybe period.

Exactly. What good is a sign posted somewhere, if there is one, if said sign is too small to see or in a place where no one sees it.

It is for that reason I am going to get that mall posted so there is no question about managements intent.

[TripleDigitRide]

It is for that reason I am going to get that mall posted so there is no question about managements intent.

I'm glad you have all the answers.

[GLOCKMEISTER]

Exactly. What good is a sign posted somewhere, if there is one, if said sign is too small to see or in a place where no one sees it.

It is for that reason I am going to get that mall posted so there is no question about managements intent.

why do you want to raise their awareness of it not being posted properly, some of us will carry in a place that isnt posted properly because we know the law inside and out and the prosecution liability is extremly low with us.

Your just telling them how to make it possible to keep us all out!

[Guest dotsun]

Exactly. What good is a sign posted somewhere, if there is one, if said sign is too small to see or in a place where no one sees it.

It is for that reason I am going to get that mall posted so there is no question about managements intent.

And only 3 percent of the population will give a rat's ass, probably less. Do you really think they care about maybe losing 3 percent of their customers? No, but go save the world from the anti's while making the people that carry there when it's not legally posted criminals when the proper signage goes up. Thanks dude, good job.