carry ing a gun and asked to leave hypothetical

[memphismason]

I think Kwik was being a little bit of a smart a$$ when he said he was planning on "pushing the limits"

just my $0.05 (inflation)

[strickj]

I think Kwik was being a little bit of a smart a$$ when he said he was planning on "pushing the limits"

just my $0.05 (inflation)

Well with the current dollar value your opinion isn't worth much is it

[memphismason]

Well with the current dollar value your opinion isn't worth much is it

No Sir it isn't.

[mdlave]

Well, as the TGO cliche goes, "Concealed means concealed."

I would strongly consider looking the security guy in the eye and saying "Oh, yes sir. I understand. I will secure my weapon in my car right away." When outside, readjust clothing (assuming IWB or some other reasonably inconspicuous carry), wait a few minutes, and reenter.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Im starting to think Kwik is the kind of guy that flashes his gun at anyone that makes him mad...either that or he has a cowboy holster and open carries everywhere. If you want to make it an issue maybe you would do us and the whole HCP community a favor by just contacting the malls manager and politely informing them that their signs are not properly posted and who they can contact to get the proper stickers to put on the outer doors. We do not need people pushing the boundries just to feed the fires for people like Naifeh (sp?).

I've never had to flash my gun or put my hand on my gun or pull it from its holster... Maybe I'm in the minority.

IMO, it would be nice if places that didn't want guns on their property would post instead of having to guess and be hassled about it.

[Fallguy]

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[Magiccarpetrides]

I've never had to flash my gun or put my hand on my gun or pull it from its holster... Maybe I'm in the minority.

IMO, it would be nice if places that didn't want guns on their property would post instead of having to guess and be hassled about it.

I agree with you 100% and am glad to hear you dont partake in those activities that shed a bad light on HCP holders. However its really not that hard to make a phone call and let someone know their signs are not "in compliance".

[Fallguy]

IMO, it would be nice if places that didn't want guns on their property would post instead of having to guess and be hassled about it.

Can't argue with that too much other than I wish no place posted or even could legally post period.

[Guest kwikrnu]

I agree with you 100% and am glad to hear you dont partake in those activities that shed a bad light on HCP holders. However its really not that hard to make a phone call and let someone know their signs are not "in compliance".

If I were to call them or write a letter or email and give them my name and they were to tell me not to come on their property carrying a handgun I think at that point if I did carry on their property it would be some type of a violation of some law.

[Guest eyebedam]

I think the logical thing to do would be to explain the situation, asked to be escorted to the security office, and have your family paged.

I agree exactly

My wife and I have cell phones. I frequently forget to charge mine. We also go seperate ways when at the mall.

I've never been arrested or for that matter charged with a crime. However, I am planning on pushing an issue in the future.

Dude you already know that they dont want you carrying there. Why would you want to push the issue? It kinda reflects on all HCP holders. All it would take for you to make a big stink on it & let the ole news folks put there spin on it. Personally I dont go out looking for trouble. If it finds me ill do what I can to finish it but theres no need to go looking for it. Plus if youre wantingf to take a issue like this to court for a possible lawsuit you have already posted stating you knew the rules up front.

[Guest kwikrnu]

I agree with you 100% and am glad to hear you dont partake in those activities that shed a bad light on HCP holders.

I'd never take part in any holster demonstration either on campus or in a restaurant that serves alcohol. I'd definately never carry my handgun in a restaurant which serves alcohol because that is illegal.

I'll just stick with regular open carry where it is legal.

[Magiccarpetrides]

Ya know you probably could find out how to get those stickers and just slap them on the doors for them As far as I know there would be absolutely nothing illegal about that since they are a "no carry zone". You would actually be doing them a favor. If you do carry in their knowing its a "no carry" area it will definitely be a violation. FWIW West Town Mall is the same way and last time I checked most of their doors had no signs.

[Guest kwikrnu]

I agree exactly

Dude you already know that they dont want you carrying there. Why would you want to push the issue? It kinda reflects on all HCP holders. All it would take for you to make a big stink on it & let the ole news folks put there spin on it. Personally I dont go out looking for trouble. If it finds me ill do what I can to finish it but theres no need to go looking for it. Plus if youre wantingf to take a issue like this to court for a possible lawsuit you have already posted stating you knew the rules up front.

Do I know that for sure? How do I know that if it isn't posted properly? How do I know their weapons policy include those whith handgun carry permits? The answer is I don't because they have never told me personally and they have not posted all entrances of the mall with signs similar to what the law requires.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Ya know you probably could find out how to get those stickers and just slap them on the doors for them As far as I know there would be absolutely nothing illegal about that since they are a "no carry zone". You would actually be doing them a favor. If you do carry in their knowing its a "no carry" area it will definitely be a violation. FWIW West Town Mall is the same way and last time I checked most of their doors had no signs.

It is probably considered vandalism.

I do wonder if someone is making and marketing signs or stickers to businesses? It could be a good business opportunity.

I could probably make a few demo models...Maybe different colors... I could print up some flyers with the AG opinion and code...

Edited May 30, 2008 by kwikrnu

[Guest nraforlife]

This is why I mostly now carry in a 5.11 style undershirt. Slow to get to my piece, BUT I have it with me AND nobody can tell as there is no printing, no J or C hooks, no snaps off a belt etc...

But please do not wear in this manner and break the law.

[Guest EasilyObsessed]

It is probably considered vandalism.

I do wonder if someone is making and marketing signs or stickers to businesses? It could be a good business opportunity.

I could probably make a few demo models...Maybe different colors... I could print up some flyers with the AG opinion and code...

That would be an awesome way to help yourself while making life more difficult for everyone use

Why not just carry concealed at the places that are incorrectly posted, save the showboating, not get worried about being asked to leave establishments, and still be a-okay legally if a situation does arise where you need to defend yourself or your family?

[Guest kwikrnu]

That would be an awesome way to help yourself while making life more difficult for everyone use

Why not just carry concealed at the places that are incorrectly posted, save the showboating, not get worried about being asked to leave establishments, and still be a-okay legally if a situation does arise where you need to defend yourself or your family?

I'd be making the entire mall a safe place. If there are signs all around that would mean that no one would ever carry a gun except profesional law enforcement officers and that no one would would ever be shot.

[Guest kwikrnu]

I'll be at the mall on Sunday, maybe I'll drive around and see how many entrances there are and try to arrange a meeting with the manager. Maybe I can have a batch of signs made up for them if they are not too expensive.

[TripleDigitRide]

If your not smart enough to remember to charge a phone, how are you smart enough to carry a weapon?!

That has already been debated.

[TripleDigitRide]

IMO, it would be nice if places that didn't want guns on their property would post instead of having to guess and be hassled about it.

Properly posted or not, if they have a picture of a gun with a red line through it, they probably don't want you carrying a gun on their property.

Properly posted or not, they will always win. Either you'll leave, or you'll go to jail.

[Punisher84]

I'll be at the mall on Sunday, maybe I'll drive around and see how many entrances there are and try to arrange a meeting with the manager. Maybe I can have a batch of signs made up for them if they are not too expensive.

You're one of them Brady people aren't you?

Seriously though man, the law is pretty clear on what will happen if you carry in a place that is not properly posted and get caught. I can tell you this from working security for a hospital that they will escort you out and tell you to leave property. Most officers/guards will not wait until you cross the property line, but they want to see you walking toward it.

If you come back armed and are caught you can be charged with criminal trespass. You'll be cuffed and taken to the office, a police officer will come out, write you a citation for court and cut you loose. That's about it, but if you push it or go looking for trouble you'll find plenty. Get the wrong cop or some guard that is law smart or is an ex-cop and you might have just the right charge to keep you from getting your permit back.

My advice? Conceal it, don't worry about it, and quit posting bad intentions on a public forum. Like Momma said, cross that bridge when you come to it.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Opry mills mall to my knowledge has no signs of any kind on their doors.

The only way to leave opry mills property is to take a swim in the cumberland or get on the freeway.

[Mike.357]

I do wonder if someone is making and marketing signs or stickers to businesses? It could be a good business opportunity.

I swear I decided to never respond to one of your posts again. Good lord you are so far over the top I can't take it anymore. I really need to just not read threads you start.

Whose freakin side are you on? Why would you want to make an issue out of carrying a weapon where you know good and well they do not want you?

Now you think it is a good business oppurtunity screwing over people like me who like to fly under the radar at places that are improperly posted.

What the hell is your problem?

[Guest eyebedam]

[Fallguy]

The funny thing is how we (people in general) accept discrimination against armed citizens.

If someone was asked to leave a business (or a sign posted) because of their gender, race, sexual orientation, religious beliefs people would be in outrage.

Even if it was because of hair color, style of dress, length of hair, color of lipstick...while there may not be "outrage" there would be a somewhat publicly accepted as wrong.