carry ing a gun and asked to leave hypothetical

[Guest kwikrnu]

So let's say you and your family are at opry mills mall. The mall is not posted properly. You live two hours away. You are carrying a handgun and your permit. Your wife has the kids, car keys and money. You don't have a cell phone and neither does she. You seperate and plan to meet at a designated spot in three hours. One hour into your adventure you try on a new coat and someone sees your previously concealed handgun. Security is called and you are told to leave.

What do you do?

[poak]

Hmm...

Say something Clint Eastwood would say? Do something Chuck Norris would do?

[TGO David]

Security most likely will not just ask you to leave but will escort you out. If you come back in and they identify you again, you could be arrested for criminal trespass.

[poak]

Security most likely will not just ask you to leave but will escort you out. If you come back in and they identify you again, you could be arrested for criminal trespass.

Even if not properly posted? If you re-enter w/o the gun, could you still be charged w/ criminal trespassing?

[Guest kwikrnu]

So, what are you supposed to do when you have no car and no money?

What happens if you are with minor children let's say 13-16 yo girls who have gone off to do their own shopping. Are you to just leave them?

I've been asked to leave places before but wondered what I should do in this situation.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Even if not properly posted? If you re-enter w/o the gun, could you still be charged w/ criminal trespassing?

I'm sure it would depend on what they told you. If they said you can come back w/o a gun you shouldn't have a problem. If they told you never to come back, you might have a problem.

[TGO David]

So, what are you supposed to do when you have no car and no money?

What happens if you are with minor children let's say 13-16 yo girls who have gone off to do their own shopping. Are you to just leave them?

I've been asked to leave places before but wondered what I should do in this situation.

If you told me all of the above and I was in charge of security at a place where the owners had determined that you could not bring a firearm, permit or not, I would tell you that it all sounded like a personal problem to me.

That's probably the answer (more or less) that you'd get from them too. Your plight isn't their problem. You carrying a firearm where the property owner has declared you shall not is their problem and that's all they are going to care about.

[Guest kwikrnu]

If you told me all of the above and I was in charge of security at a place where the owners had determined that you could not bring a firearm, permit or not, I would tell you that it all sounded like a personal problem to me.

That's probably the answer (more or less) that you'd get from them too. Your plight isn't their problem. You carrying a firearm where the property owner has declared you shall not is their problem and that's all they are going to care about.

So you would just leave? Where would you go? What happens when your new bride wondering what happened to you?

[Guest dwrd]

Sounds like a nice long sit next to a car in the parking lot until the keys show back up with the others in your party. Prepaid cell phones are mighty cheap these days too.

[Guest I_AM_WOOD]

I think the logical thing to do would be to explain the situation, asked to be escorted to the security office, and have your family paged.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Sounds like a nice long sit next to a car in the parking lot until the keys show back up with the others in your party. Prepaid cell phones are mighty cheap these days too.

Like Tungsten said the guards would most likely escort you to your vehicle and watch you leave. The parking lot is their property. You have no keys so how can you leave?

[Guest c_o_jones]

I think the logical thing to do would be to explain the situation, asked to be escorted to the security office, and have your family paged.

+1

[The Rabbi]

I think the logical thing to do would be to explain the situation, asked to be escorted to the security office, and have your family paged.

That might sound logical to you.

Me, I'd be screaming and threatening to sue.

[TGO David]

So you would just leave? Where would you go? What happens when your new bride wondering what happened to you?

We have these things called cell phones.

I think the logical thing to do would be to explain the situation, asked to be escorted to the security office, and have your family paged.

Exactly.

Kwik, honestly your posts read about like you're just trying to do your homework to see how far you can push the envelope without ending up face first on the pavement with a cop's knee in your back, being explained your Miranda rights.

[Magiccarpetrides]

If you conceal carry and dont act like a cowboy (since your not) you probably wont get caught and the situation wont arise.

[Guest kwikrnu]

My wife and I have cell phones. I frequently forget to charge mine. We also go seperate ways when at the mall.

I've never been arrested or for that matter charged with a crime. However, I am planning on pushing an issue in the future.

[TGO David]

My wife and I have cell phones. I frequently forget to charge mine. We also go seperate ways when at the mall.

I've never been arrested or for that matter charged with a crime. However, I am planning on pushing an issue in the future.

Well... good luck with that.

[poak]

My wife and I have cell phones. I frequently forget to charge mine. We also go seperate ways when at the mall.

I've never been arrested or for that matter charged with a crime. However, I am planning on pushing an issue in the future.

Might want to charge your cell and get an extra set of keys for that day!

[Guest dwrd]

Tungsten, that picture was great.

[Guest Hornet Handler]

My wife and I have cell phones. I frequently forget to charge mine. We also go seperate ways when at the mall.

I've never been arrested or for that matter charged with a crime. However, I am planning on pushing an issue in the future.

If your not smart enough to remember to charge a phone, how are you smart enough to carry a weapon?!

[strickj]

If your not smart enough to remember to charge a phone, how are you smart enough to carry a weapon?!

He forgets to put bullets in it

[The Rabbi]

I've never been arrested or for that matter charged with a crime. However, I am planning on pushing an issue in the future.

I've been asked to leave places before but wondered what I should do in this situation.

Ya know, most of us responsible gun owners spend time (and money) trying to avoid bad situations. We don't go around looking for them.

But you seem intent on pushing things. Given your responses here and elsewhere I really need to question your overall judgement, especially whether carrying a gun is an especially good idea.

[Guest Hornet Handler]

He forgets to put bullets in it

I think it's because it doesn't speak Spanish to him.

[Fallguy]

Well you've got to leave...that's about it. They might let you wait at your car, or page your wife if not. Better see if you can find a piece of paper and leave a note on the car as to what's happened and that you'll be at the Starbucks across the street. Otherwise she'll be coming to bail you out of jail for criminal trespass.

Even if not properly posted? If you re-enter w/o the gun, could you still be charged w/ criminal trespassing?

Yes!!! See AG Opinion 07-148 Questions 5 & 6.

You can effectively be permanently banned from a place while you are armed (or period) even if the place is not posted.

[Magiccarpetrides]

Im starting to think Kwik is the kind of guy that flashes his gun at anyone that makes him mad...either that or he has a cowboy holster and open carries everywhere. If you want to make it an issue maybe you would do us and the whole HCP community a favor by just contacting the malls manager and politely informing them that their signs are not properly posted and who they can contact to get the proper stickers to put on the outer doors. We do not need people pushing the boundries just to feed the fires for people like Naifeh (sp?).