RBCD Ammo...Anyone Use It?

[Guest darkstar]

Curious if anyone uses RBCD ammo as a carry round. I was checking some out last week and was curious about it so I read up on it. If you look at their ballistic charts the stuff seems pretty hard core. Allegedly their .32 auto has ballistics similar to a 9mm, and performance increases with larger calibers. I get the deal about how they use extremely light bullets travelling very fast to achieve these alleged performances but I'm wondering if such light bullets will penetrate deeply enough to put down a threat. They also claim huge cavity wounds but I'm kind of skeptical. I have seen the videos of water jugs being blasted to smithereens, and have read quite a few other forums posts regarding this stuff. Opinion seems mixed and there is a lot of chatter about how the makers try to control independent testing of the stuff. I do know it's pretty expensive stuff....it would cost a fortune to get 200 or so rounds to test for reliability before I would carry it. Just wondering what everyone else thinks.

I'm kind of leaning towards it's a lot of hype and yet another over priced "extreme" ammo but I figured I would ask. Might be worth it just to blow up some watermellons or something.

[John Wall]

RBCD, IF it feeds though your gun, will likely shoot very low at short range.

When it first came out, I had four calibers of it. 32 Auto, in a Beretta Tomcat. Consistent failures to feed. 45 Auto, shot in an IPSC Limited 1911, repeated failures to feed. 9X19, fired in Glock 17, repeated failures to feed. The Tomcat IS ammo sensitive, but the ultra reliable, hand tuned 1911 and the Glock are not.

38 Special, fired in S & W M-640. 18" low at 7 yards.

Also, this ammo was judged unsatisfactory by Intl' Wound Ballistics Assoc. (IWBA). Use of ammo demonstrating insufficient penetration is the quickest way to lose in a gunfight. Bravo Sierra by the ammo maker and local distributor is typical.

Use standard weight bullets in standard rounds made by reputable manufacturers. Bullet placement and sufficient penetration is more important than bullet caliber or velocity.

[The Rabbi]

Also, this ammo was judged unsatisfactory by Intl' Wound Ballistics Assoc. (IWBA). Use of ammo demonstrating insufficient penetration is the quickest way to lose in a gunfight. Bravo Sierra by the ammo maker and local distributor is typical.

Use standard weight bullets in standard rounds made by reputable manufacturers. Bullet placement and sufficient penetration is more important than bullet caliber or velocity.

The eminent Mr Wall knows his stuff. You would ignore him at your own peril. Plus the ammo is gawd-awful expensive. I would want to put a couple of mags through any gun to check reliability etc and that adds up quick.

[Marswolf]

Marty Fackler also says it is garbage.

Their stuff is pure hokum. Even worse than Extreme Shock.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6940&postcount=54

Here is a comment I made on another board at

http://www.hk94.com/hk/index.php?s=&showtopic=2141&view=findpost&p=17574

I've been down this road on another company. RBCD makes a Blended Metal Technology (BMT) round. Their LE/Military distributor is a company called LeMas. It's an interesting round, which claims to be both armor piercing and anti-personnel. It cuts through "bullet-proof" glass, but immediately fragments upon hitting soft tissue. It does this because the cold glass keeps the bullet together, but the soft tissue heats up the projectile and causes it to disintegrate.

YA GOT THAT?

Needless to say, unless Congress has been able ro repeal the laws of Physics, that is a massive load of BS. I have email correspondence with Stan Bulmer of Le Mas which goes back several months. He never would explain this mechanism in writing, and I wouldn't call him to get his sales pitch on the phone. I finally gave up. For an extensive examination of the subject, see LeMas Q for David DiFabio and Dr. Fackler on the subject of LeMas/RBCD at Warrior Talk forums. I would give you the LeMas site address, but they now require a secret password to access it. I haven't applied for one, or a secret decoder ring either.

What is a bit sad is that the RBCD BMT round is, apparently, a good armor piercing device. At any rate, this is just FYI for any who have heard of, or seen the video of, the wonderful BMT pot roast blasting ammo.

BTW, I'm not sure those links in the quote are good now.

[Guest tokarev]

I've read it, heard it and seen it over and over.

Never depend on magic bullets. Shot placement is the key.

[Guest darkstar]

Pretty much what I figured. I'm a believer in what John said...i.e reputable ammo etc. Just thought I'd see what the consensus was. I've always stuck by the Gold Dots and see no need to mess with exotic crap.

[molonlabetn]

It's along the same lines as Extreme Shock, Glaser and Magsafe... pretty worthless except maybe at contact distances.