I had no idea (caution gay thread)

[kieefer]

That only 2% of the population is gay.

Why on earth is the government basing policy on this? Surely they have known the stats? Maybe not?

Has the gov. ever before made policy to suit only 2% of the population before? I mean the black population is like 14%.

Kinda makes ya think.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

[Guest 6.8 AR]

They're a convenient bunch of victims for

politicians to use and make all sorts of claims

that everyone else is discriminating against

them. Look how so many jump to their defense.

Use every victim you can find to break down

everyone else.

But Kieffer, you know they were all borne that

way. Just speeding this thread up for those

who wish to break this into that. Like that even

matters.

Maybe someone will jump in and refute the two

percent and claim they're really fourteen percent.

[Guest Razz]

Perspective:

Gay population: 6.2M

Tennessee population: 6.4M

Don't really care about the topic but I hate it when people use small numbers to represent large numbers.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Yep now that you have that valuable perspective, that two

percent is more important somehow.

[Romad7]

And people in the rest of the country barely knows where TN is let alone care about our opinions. That's still a small number when we are talking about steering the opinion and policy of this country. I feel the same way about illegal immigrants, etc as well.

[Guest Razz]

Yep now that you have that valuable perspective, that two

percent is more important somehow.

Yeah, I'd say making policy for 6.2 million people is pretty important.

"more important" than what? I guess I really don't understand what the argument is. The whole thing effects me exactly 0% and I suspect it's the same for 98% of the population.

I don't personally have a problem with gays. I actually like one aspect of them: I love watching people get worked up over their existance. It reminds me not to take things so seriously all the time. I've got enough grey hair...I don't need to add to it by being stressed out over someone else's passive lifestyle.

[TMF]

It shouldn't matter if it's 6 or 6 million. Perhaps it only matters in regard to the amount of attention that it gets from the media and such, but quantity shouldn't define policy. If that were the case we could just ignore rights of American Jews; after all, Jews make up less than 2% of the US population so... eff 'em, right?

Bottom line, no matter which side you sit on the debate it shouldn't matter how many butt buddies there are out there. It should matter what is right and what is wrong. Now, we have a split on what the definitions of that is, but when it comes to the validity of a certain group of people, it shouldn't be discounted just because the group is a minority. That isn't what freedom is all about... well, I guess it is convenient when you're the majority, huh? Remember that years down the road if the time comes that socialist liberals significantly outnumber the far right conservatives. Your opinions will mean nothing at that point, and based on your logic, it shouldn't.

[TripleDigitRide]

With a mindset like that, it's all fun and games until you find yourself in the minority. Don't think it can't or won't happen.

[Caster]

I don't understand either side of it. I don't give two wags of a rats ars if you wanna rub another man's rhubarb, leave me alone about it.

What ever happened to the society that left sexual matters in the bedroom where they belong? Why are we as a country, constantly airing dirty laundry in the front yard for all the neighborhood to see? This morally decayed country is disgusting, perverse and sickening. Not for its want of preference acceptance, but for talking about it, putting it on EVERY DAMN TV SHOW ON THE TV and not keeping quietly tucked away as things of this matter are supposed to be?

You know, the older I get, the I believe homosexuality really wasn't a deciding factor in Gods choice to leave a blanket of ash on the ground where two cities once stood. I think it was their wantonly open and brazen defiance to the rule of privacy with intimacy. On top of all the other reasons he had, thieves, murderers and the like. Well we as a country have those too. Thieves In the white house stealing from me to make their socialism security continue, murders killing unborn babies. I'm just sick of it all.

Ignoring a problem will not make it go away but there are just some things that should not be discussed openly and with such frequency.

Again, I don't care if you're queer, that great. STOP TELLING ME ABOUT IT because I don't give a ssss.

I would ask "God have mercy on this country" but we don't deserve it.

[Jonnin]

you also have folks like me who are not gay but who firmly think that the gay community should have equal rights. Mostly, that means I would see any and all laws/tax codes / etc that are for married couples removed entirely so the government can get 100% out of the issue: if there are no bonuses for marriage, then everyone is equal. The other direction (making laws to say who can marry who and when and where and so on) is too much government involvement at too deep a level. Getting 100% out of the issue and away from it is the only way that I can see it actually working out. Then, after that, if the gay community wants special treatment, we can stamp that "denied" and move on.

[Guest Razz]

Good point, Johnin...and I happen to agree. Take the control away from the Fed and call it a day.

I will also add that if someone want to leave their benefits to someone, whether it be spouse, family member or SO, that should be their choice...not the government.

To me, this is what I'm missing from the republican party. Instead of focussing on these petty social issues, how about we get back to limiting the federal gov?

[Caster]

Someone asked me once if I believed gay people should be allowed to be married. My response, "By God they have just as much right to be miserable as the rest of us!!"

I don't mind it at all. I tell you, I don't like homosexuality, but it's NOT MY BUSINESS, AND I'd heap rather have two celibate 'Mo's than two heterosexual whores passing clap, hep and aids around like a social flyer.

I can't understand why people can't live by the idea of, "You do your thing, I'm gonna do mine, we're NOT gonna talk about it. Hey, if you wanna talk fishin', that'll be okay."

[1pointofview]

I don't care if you are gay, but the problem is that gays want me to care and want me to accept you for being gay. It is on the same level for me as someone being an Alabama fan. I only have to accept you as a person and I do. I don't have to worship the type of person you are. Specially if you are a type of person who like alabama

[Caster]

I don't care if you are gay, but the problem is that gays want me to care and want me to accept you for being gay. It is on the same level for me as someone being an Alabama fan. I only have to accept you as a person and I do. I don't have to worship the type of person you are. Specially if you are a type of person who like alabama

Exactly!

So you're gay or you like alabama or both, great, leave me alone. Here's a soda, have a drink on me because it shows how I feel on the matter:

[daddyo]

Oh, goodie... another emotion-driven discussion, largely devoid of facts.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Yeah, I'd say making policy for 6.2 million people is pretty important.

"more important" than what? I guess I really don't understand what the argument is. The whole thing effects me exactly 0% and I suspect it's the same for 98% of the population.

I don't personally have a problem with gays. I actually like one aspect of them: I love watching people get worked up over their existance. It reminds me not to take things so seriously all the time. I've got enough grey hair...I don't need to add to it by being stressed out over someone else's passive lifestyle.

No problem with them at all, except the fact that

they are everywhere when they aren't that large

of a group. Kinda like Caster said is how I feel

about them.

[Guest ThePunisher]

Oh, goodie... another emotion-driven discussion, largely devoid of facts.

Present the facts please.

[Guest Razz]

Oh, goodie... another emotion-driven discussion, largely devoid of facts.

I hadn't noticed anyone being overly emotional. I suppose it depends on how you read other's words.

...and as far as "facts"...I don't think anyone has made a statement that requires any figures or statistics. Good thread, IMO. Nobody has gotten heated or said anything out of line.

[1pointofview]

The same people pushing for "equality for gays" are the same people that want to restrict gun ownership , taxing the rich because they are the minority or setting up affirmative action policies that restriction one group based on skin color and entitles another based on skin color.

Freedom and equality can not be legislated. If you want freedom and equality take government out of the equation.

[Links2k]

The same people pushing for "equality for gays" are the same people that want to restrict gun ownership , taxing the rich because they are the minority or setting up affirmative action policies that restriction one group based on skin color and entitles another based on skin color.

Freedom and equality can not be legislated. If you want freedom and equality take government out of the equation.

I see where you are going with the affirmative action thing. The blacks are taking all of the jobs. Ignore that 14% unemployment thing in the black community that Obama always lies about. With that and taking ALL of the welfare It's a wonder that anyone's making a living these days.

Seriously, I am tired of the gays on every t.v. Show or movie that I watch, but I will not try to suppress their existence. A lot of us won't live long enough to see it, but in the very near future there will come a time when people of color (blacks/hispanics) are going to be the majority in this country. When that time comes you will not want the people in charge dealing with your children and grandchildren in the matter in which some of you would treat minorities today.

If you are a "Believer" trust what the scripture says and leave the gay issues to the only one allowed to judge. If you are not a "Believer" just mind your own business like we should all be doing anyway.

Edited September 3, 2012 by LINKS2K

[TripleDigitRide]

The same people pushing for "equality for gays" are the same people that want to restrict gun ownership , taxing the rich because they are the minority or setting up affirmative action policies that restriction one group based on skin color and entitles another based on skin color.

Although I'm not "pushing" for anything, I believe a gay person should have the same exact rights and opportunities as us regular folk. With that being said, I don't fit into any of your above mentioned generalities.

[kieefer]

I just finding it interesting that the number is so small. Based on what you hear through the media and the push for policy.

I also didn't know that Jews had government policies base on their culture.

As mentioned above, blacks have always been at least 10% of the population and it took wars and government intervention to gain their acceptance, some always have, some never will.

Times have changed indeed.

[1pointofview]

I am not taking it anywhere with the affirmative action thing. The only place I am going is that if you want freedom and equality you have to stop creating policies that destroy freedom and equality. I think there is high black unemployment because of the policies put in place to "help" them.

[G27]

So what's the cut-off percentage before someone is allowed certain rights?

[Mike.357]

So what's the cut-off percentage before someone is allowed certain rights?

So what's the cut-off percentage before someone is allowed certain rights?

when the percentage affects middle aged white guys.

Edited September 3, 2012 by Mike.357