Remington and Colt Relocation? Maybe - Mayor Bloomingidiot at it again

[RobertNashville]

While I hate to punish current employees; if Bloomingidiot and his ilk are stupid enough to move forward with this stuff than it would serve NY right to lose these companies (and their tax revenues).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/28/microstamping-legislation-may-lead-remington-colt-to-relocate/?intcmp=obnetwork

[Jonnin]

Ok, I am dumb as a brick at times, but did someone up there in NY who clearly is 10000X smarter than I am due to where they live ask how this technology works when pitted against a criminal with a dremel tool and some polishing compound?

[RobertNashville]

I would assume that any bad guy smart enough to know or care about the microstamping could overcome it simply by replacing the firing pin (since that is what gets "stamped" if I understand the process correctly).

I would love one of these idiot gun-haters to try and explain why a crook who almost certainly stole the weapon or bought it illegally after it was stolen by someone else is going to care about microstamping that may lead police back to the original, legal owner.

[TripleDigitRide]

Wheel guns would instantly become the tool of choice amongst criminals.

[gjohnsoniv]

“That’s the new threat: to move where that [gun] friendly state is,†she said. “It’s unfair of them to resist sensible regulation to save lives. It does not impact lawful gun ownership at all.â€

I fail to see how it is "sensible." It won't stop the crime before it happens and it certainly will not keep anyone with half a brain from modifying the firing pin. Heck it would make for the perfect crime if you could slip the firing pin from one gun into another and then back again.

[Caster]

While Samuel Colt would be rolling over in his grave; How many of us would give up a LOT to get a job working in a Colt factory? I love the family business but if I was given an opportunity to build Colt's for a living.....see ya bye!!!

I'd even go so far as to NEVER make another derogatory comment about 1911's ever again and THAT'S saying something coming from me!

[Jonnin]

Gun control is always "sensible" by defination and it always "saves lives". Even when it is about as effective as that copy protection that you can beat with a sharpie...... as is the case here....

[Oh Shoot]

Not seeking to diminish any Bloomberg hate or anything, but he doesn't seem to have anything to do with driving this effort, it's a state legislative issue. Neither company is in NYC.

He's only mentioned in the story in passing, as example of a gun control advocate pol. So seems he's not really "at it again" as far as this issue (though he's likely all for it).

- OS

Edited August 29, 2012 by OhShoot

[RobertNashville]

I don't know that he is driving this particular effort; he's mentioned in the article and I suspect he is in favor of it (of course, he would likely rather that all weapons be confiscated except the one's his security forces carry. )

[Oh Shoot]

I don't know that he is driving this particular effort;....

Correct. Factually misleading title was my point.

Here's same story from NY Times, no mention of Bloomie at all, and they're in his pocket.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/nyregion/calls-for-stricter-gun-laws-worry-ilion-ny-built-by-remington.html?pagewanted=all

- OS

[K191145]

In reality it doesn't have anything to do with guns themselves with these liberal control freaks like Bloomberg, he really doesn't give a damn how many peasants gets shot and die. It's all about low class peasants having the right to own firearms that he hates the most, he see's us as a lower class, sub-human culture that he and other self rightous elitist socialist liberals should control. He gets off on it, he's addicted to power and control, he has a mental illness and he's just one of many, another one lives at the White House.

[Seabeejason]

New York Assemblywoman Michelle Schimel, a Democrat and the chief sponsor of the microstamping legislation on semiautomatic pistols that was last considered by the state’s full Senate in 2010, said she believes Remington’s vow is merely a threat.

“Their main product isn’t even semiautomatic guns; the main thrust of what they do are long guns and military contracts,†Schimel told FoxNews.com. “As a former businessman, it would be foolish for them to leave the New York market. They are getting a lot of money from the state.â€

Just another example of a dumb liberal that has no idea what the hell she's talking about. Merely a threat? Considering that states like Tennessee would welcome a gun manufacturer with open arms and huge tax breaks I do not think it is a threat. I'm sure when factories led a mass exodus out of other liberal states those government officials thought the same thing. "They need us, they won't leave." Look what happened. When are these morons going to realize that they are not needed? How are you going to try to force a company to alter their production processes for some idiotic idea that will not even work?

I think both of these companies should relocate to East Tennessee.

[jtmaze]

Hey what about us westerners. I would leave my current job with more vacation than I can take to work for someone like Colt.

JTM

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[dlm37015]

most of remington has already moved to ky and nc non union states or right to work states would be more accurate

[Oh Shoot]

most of remington has already moved to ky and nc non union states or right to work states would be more accurate

They do have plant in Mayfield, KY and a R&D facility in Elizabethtown, KY, but the Madison, NC location is only their corporate/admin headquarters, likely mostly for tax purposes.

Marlin and H&R show Madison as their headquarters also, and yeah, I know they are all "one", but they still operate as separate companies on paper for all them high finance reasons I don't understand.

- OS

Edited August 30, 2012 by OhShoot

[redfsr]

Maybe if Colt relocates they reconsider making double action revolvers again. Pfffft. I wish.

[SonnyCrockett]

They need to move to Tennessee !

[Jonnin]

They do have plant in Mayfield, KY and a R&D facility in Elizabethtown, KY, but the Madison, NC location is only their corporate/admin headquarters, likely mostly for tax purposes.

- OS

Is it for the stock market? I am not sure if they are publicly traded anyway, but public companies always end up in NY or Delaware I think (???) but my memory on that is a little foggy. Something about the laws make it best to incorporate in those places.

[Oh Shoot]

Is it for the stock market? I am not sure if they are publicly traded anyway, but public companies always end up in NY or Delaware I think (???) but my memory on that is a little foggy. Something about the laws make it best to incorporate in those places.

If you mean why so many gun companies started in the NE, it's simply because most everything machine/industrial started in the NE.

- OS

[Jonnin]

not that, that is another issue. Any type of company, a large number of them are incorporated in just a couple of cities, for whatever reason, if traded.

[Oh Shoot]

not that, that is another issue. Any type of company, a large number of them are incorporated in just a couple of cities, for whatever reason, if traded.

I gotcha.

Anyway, Remington/Marlin/H&R/NEF aren't publicly traded. They are subsidiaries of Freedom Arms, a private company, which is owned by Cerberus, also a private company.

- OS