Colorado Shooter, how many rounds did he fire?

[JohnC]

With the new agenda being ammo control by our ignorant Commie government, I want to know exactly how many rounds this fool actually fired in that theater!

So c'mon, how many was it?

They keep tossing the magazine size on one of his rifles out there and the fact that he bought 6,000 rounds, but that shouldn't have any bearing on his crime since I know he didn't haul 6,000 rounds in there and fire it all off Rambo style!

I'm getting sick of this ignorant media and Saul Alinsky politicians trying "not to let a good crisis go to waste" to throw in more Commie law and regulations that in the end will not stop a criminal or mentally ill person from committing murder if they so desire.

P.S., last time I passed under an Amber Alert and looked, it showed 555 traffic fatalities in TN alone. Where is the outrage and anti-vehicle legislation?

/end rant!

[Oh Shoot]

We don't know. Dunno if we ever will actually, but certainly not likely till the trial is over and forensics are released.

I suspect that many of the injured were hit with shotgun pellets at distance, as most were released in the next day or so from hospitals. From a couple of descriptions, sounded like bird shot, not buck.

I'm thinking that he didn't actually get as many rounds off as many assume, and of course the death count was very low because the guy just wasn't an experienced and/or competent shooter, fortunately.

Of course the rest of your points are valid. It's such a strange country anymore, individual carry rights have been widened, but there's also a constantly increasing outcry for restrictions. A real study in paradox and extremes, like many facets of the US.

- OS

Edited July 31, 2012 by OhShoot

[jcoosi]

P.S., last time I passed under an Amber Alert and looked, it showed 555 traffic fatalities in TN alone. Where is the outrage and anti-vehicle legislation?

Yeah I seen that sign the other day and that was my first thought also

[Jonnin]

This guy was downright incompetent to be honest. Its like he bought the stuff but never used it, or very little. I suspect it was birdshot, which also smacks of incompetence. Thank goodness ---- if he had been skilled, there would be 100+ dead.

The only picture I have seen of the weapon looks like a 30 round AR mag, not a drum. I wonder if he shot it empty or not, rather than have it jam, given the sorry quality of reporting..... everyone keeps saying high cap mag and a jammed rifle but something does not add up.

I am tempted to say most of the fatalities were from the AR, which he shot say 20-30 rounds from, and some of the survivors were pass thru shots maybe? The rest of the survivors were probably handgun wounds? Not sure that the shotgun even played a real role.

But no one knows yet. If we ever do find out, it will probably be years from now after the trial circus. They keep evidence close until trials these days.

[Guest drv2fst]

In some of the news footage I saw wounds that were obviously birdshot from a distance great enough to get a pretty good spread. The victim I saw has about 1/3 of a dinner plate sized pattern on his arm.

The survivors should be very thankful that this nut job didn't plan well. If he had used reliable mags in his AR or a Saiga 12 loaded with 00 there would be fewer survivors. On very rare occasions it's a good thing that almost everyone is incompetent at almost everything.

[Sam1]

Yeah I seen that sign the other day and that was my first thought also

When we moved to Nashville at the end of May the total was 327 iirc, so in TN alone, we're losing +/- 100 people a month. Anyone have a statistic on how many firearm related deaths we have per month?

[Jonnin]

trying to find a per year or per month. TN ranks high at 0.015 % (that is 15 deaths per every 100k people per year). In a state with almost 50% of the people owning at least 1 gun (statistically or actual??? Unclear if my 10 count for 10 households??).

The national average is 10 per 100k. Apparently if you are black your chances are more than double of being one of the unlucky 15.

Nationwide, supposedly:

Motor vehicle accidental deaths per year...43,000

Fatal firearms accidents per year...1,100

firearms related homicides: 14k per year

gun crimes per year: 1 million roughly

vehicles used in crimes yearly: unknown ---

http://webappa.cdc.g...dcaus10_us.html

This app gives firearms as not even or just barely in the top 10 list, compared to a consistent #2 cause of death being motor vehicles until advanced age kicks in.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Jonnin

[JohnC]

So no one knows yet how many rounds he fired and our politicians are already trying to use this shooting to go after ammo and mags?

This really pisses me off!

Everyone needs to start signing the petitions out there (I posted one already) and hand write in this little fact that the mags and ammo quantity really had no bearing on his crime. There is no evidence he used the drum and by the body count, there is no way he fired more than 30rds of that 6,000 in the semi-automatic rifle.

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Edited July 31, 2012 by JohnC

[DaveTN]

There is no evidence he used the drum and by the body count, there is no way he fired more than 30rds of that 6,000 in the automatic rifle.

He shot 70 people. Do you really think it will matter to anyone how many rounds he fired?

He didn't have an automatic rifle.

[Dennis1209]

What gets me is how divided our nation is on the second amendment and our own personal protection, among other hot issues. It amazes me how people can think so differently. Perhaps I've lost the ability to logically reason? Maybe because I'm left handed and think in my right mind? Or maybe it's my poor math skills in deductive reasoning? Go figure?

[Jonnin]

What gets me is how divided our nation is on the second amendment and our own personal protection, among other hot issues. It amazes me how people can think so differently. Perhaps I've lost the ability to logically reason? Maybe because I'm left handed and think in my right mind? Or maybe it's my poor math skills in deductive reasoning? Go figure?

people are rarely logical and often emotional.

there are only a few logic chains you can make for the problem.

1) take up all guns -> no one can shoot anyone -> this crime could not have happened -> except he could have used explosives or home-made mustard gas or 10000 other things. Fail.

2) prevent criminals from hurting anyone -> intractable, fail.

3) allow people to shoot back -> likely innocents are injured by would be heroes -> less than 70 total people shot, suboptimal but better outcome.

4) Hire snipers at every public establishment to handle situations -> creates jobs for gun owners -> success.

and so on. In these examples, #4 is a clear winner but it would never be accepted by today's public, you would get the what-if crowd riled up and the "excessive force" crowd and the tinfoil hats and more --- it would be a police state effectively even if the snipers were only certified citizens.

[JohnC]

He shot 70 people. Do you really think it will matter to anyone how many rounds he fired?

He didn't have an automatic rifle.

I'm more or less focusing on the AR, mag, and total quantity of ammo he bought.

I realize some claim the gun jammed so he went to a shotgun and pistol. I was not speaking on how many rounds he shot out of those other two weapons, but I should have included that. I was just so pissed I forgot and made some typos.

The politicians keep throwing up pictures of an AR with double drum mag. There is a lot of deception and I'm pissed that they're doing this #### to try for more anti-gun legislation!

Edited July 31, 2012 by JohnC

[Oh Shoot]

This guy was downright incompetent to be honest. Its like he bought the stuff but never used it, or very little. I suspect it was birdshot, which also smacks of incompetence. Thank goodness ---- if he had been skilled, there would be 100+ dead....

He may have never even shot any of those four firearms before that night. Heck, no info that he ever shot a gun in his life so far, actually.

- OS

[vontar]

We don't know. Dunno if we ever will actually, but certainly not likely till the trial is over and forensics are released.

However even though the facts are not out, that doesn't slow down people wanting to talk about new gun/ammo laws.

I agree with others, I believe he go off less shots then most people suspect.

[Sam1]

Also just heard on the radio that Nashville is ranked #3 in the country for teenage driver fatalities. I guess they should just completely ban driving for anyone under 20 to reduce the issue.

[Guest nysos]

He may have never even shot any of those four firearms before that night. Heck, no info that he ever shot a gun in his life so far, actually.

- OS

He at least tried to train on them some. Apparently a range owner (membership only) got an application from him, and he had to call him back for some reason. The kid didn't answer his phone and he quoted saying that the message people hear on his voicemail was really odd and the guy seemed "off", so after hearing the voicemail he decided to not allow him to become a member. I would be surprised if there wasnt a public range nearby. For all the "prep and planning" done - he sure seemed to just throw things together half-assed.