RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. Surviving an Active Shooter Event

[Guest No Ammo]

[Spiffy]

Impossible! Didn't you see the magic 30-06 signage on the door? This is one of those magical "gun free zones" where nothing bad can happen!

[jcoosi]

I had someone sends this to me the other day.Its a video funded by the DHS.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/473/2966001/DHS-funded-video-gives-tips-to-survive-a-shooter

[monkeylizard]

Also here:

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/50743-dhs-funded-video-survive-an-active-shooter/

[Kylev87]

Instead of Run Hide Fight how about we CCW folks be Sheepdogs and Close to Engage to save lives.
Close to Engage
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH3GV7EmzI4&feature=plcp"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH3GV7EmzI4&feature=plcp[/url]

Sheepdog Concept
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW8BZ7pRt28&feature=plcp"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW8BZ7pRt28&feature=plcp[/url]

[Guest rebeldrummer]

oh no...not Nut !! ha ha ha...

that dude is a nerd....not a big fan of his.
he has very informative videos, sure, i just don't like his personality
to each his own though

Hickok45 all the way baby....

[Kylev87]

Haven't hear of Hickok45 but I like Nutn' I'll go take a look at some of Hickok45s vids but instead of commenting on the person making the videos, how about what you think about an active shooter situation?

[Guest rebeldrummer]

huh? what i think about an active shooter situation?
i think that they are horrible. the loss of innocent life is terrible.
they are all cowards who ambush helpless people, for the most part.

dont get offended...that was not my intention. just stated my opinion is all.

Hickok45 is over in west tennessee....he is also a member here

[Kylev87]

No no I wasn't getting offended. I was wondering what your opinion on an active shooter situation. What would you do?

[Guest rebeldrummer]

[quote name='Kylev87' timestamp='1352244633' post='840416']
No no I wasn't getting offended. I was wondering what your opinion on an active shooter situation. What would you do?
[/quote]

i mis-read that i guess? my bad...
i would not have any problems with engaging an active shooter and putting myself in harms way.
however, if I were with my family I do not think that I could leave them alone until I knew 100% that they were safe first.
i would get them out of the area...into a safe location before i attempted to help.
I work private security (on a contractual basis on the side) and got used to the idea a long time ago that i could injured by an active shooter or someone trying to harm me or my fellow co workers. Edited November 6, 2012 by rebeldrummer

[Kylev87]

Agreed gotta have sheepdogs to protect the sheep from the wolves.

[Guest rebeldrummer]

[quote name='Kylev87' timestamp='1352257424' post='840604']
Agreed gotta have sheepdogs to protect the sheep from the wolves.
[/quote]

agreed...and again Kyle, I did not mean to come across as rude in any way

[c.a.willard]

My only concern is that you may not be the only one with a firearm. Advancing to the threat may cause you to be a preceived threat as well. I say if you are withing engagement range already then do what you must to include engaging the threat. However if you must move to the threat area it woud be very wise to take precautions not to be viewed as a bad guy yourself. An example would be waiting until youve closed to near or within engagement ranges before drawing your weapon. For me it would depend on who im there with. Do i feel a greater need to protect them or the crowd. For example if i'm there with my family i'm going into stricktly defense and evacuation mode. If i'm there by myself i would be more inclined to advance to the threat. If you do engage please keep your exposure time limited. And only keep your weapon out as long is necessary to nuetralize the threat and scan for aditional threats. A note on scanning for threats, Although not as fast for target aquisition it would probably be better to lower your muzzle to point at the ground and scan with your eyes as opposed to scanning with your weapon.

[Guest TNBrat]

I say run & hide to a tactical defense location then engage, if necessary.
Now be honest, guys... How many of you look around when entering a restaurant or some such just to get a feel for your options. Exit strategy? Defensible positions? Situational awareness...


TNBrat Hiding in the woods…

[Kylev87]

[quote name='c.a.willard' timestamp='1352313775' post='841174']
My only concern is that you may not be the only one with a firearm. Advancing to the threat may cause you to be a preceived threat as well. I say if you are withing engagement range already then do what you must to include engaging the threat. However if you must move to the threat area it woud be very wise to take precautions not to be viewed as a bad guy yourself. An example would be waiting until youve closed to near or within engagement ranges before drawing your weapon. For me it would depend on who im there with. Do i feel a greater need to protect them or the crowd. For example if i'm there with my family i'm going into stricktly defense and evacuation mode. If i'm there by myself i would be more inclined to advance to the threat. If you do engage please keep your exposure time limited. And only keep your weapon out as long is necessary to nuetralize the threat and scan for aditional threats. A note on scanning for threats, Although not as fast for target aquisition it would probably be better to lower your muzzle to point at the ground and scan with your eyes as opposed to scanning with your weapon.
[/quote]

That's a great plan right there. Do the Badges mean you are Law Enforcement?

[Guest rebeldrummer]

[quote name='TNBrat' timestamp='1352316337' post='841217']
I say run & hide to a tactical defense location then engage, if necessary.
Now be honest, guys... How many of you look around when entering a restaurant or some such just to get a feel for your options. Exit strategy? Defensible positions? Situational awareness...


TNBrat Hiding in the woods…
[/quote]

to be honest, not all the time. but more times than not I actually do look around just as reference. I do not take it as far as requesting specific seats at restaurants or only anything like that. But I am aware of my surroundings. Situational awareness is one thing that was DRILLED into my head when i was first getting into security work.....knowing what to look for and being able to identify a threat before is paramount in the field. its obvious who the threat is in an active shooter even...its the one shooting at people! ha ha. like stated above, having others know YOU are NOT the threat is also important. i like your idea of folding back to a strategic location and engaging/defending (ambush like) however when it all unfolds that might not be an option and you may just have to face the threat right then and there. in that case, I would not run..nor hide.

[monkeylizard]

[quote name='Kylev87' timestamp='1352328725' post='841390']
That's a great plan right there. Do the Badges mean you are Law Enforcement?
[/quote]

A gold badge under a user's avatar indicates law enforcement service
The little people with the gold star indicate military service
The ID card indicates Handgun Carry Permit holder Edited November 8, 2012 by monkeylizard

[Kylev87]

[quote name='monkeylizard' timestamp='1352391755' post='841813']
A gold badge under a user's avatar indicates law enforcement service
The little people with the gold star indicate military service
The ID card indicates Handgun Carry Permit holder
[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying all those Sir

[Kylev87]

[quote name='TNBrat' timestamp='1352316337' post='841217']
I say run & hide to a tactical defense location then engage, if necessary.
Now be honest, guys... How many of you look around when entering a restaurant or some such just to get a feel for your options. Exit strategy? Defensible positions? Situational awareness...


TNBrat Hiding in the woods…
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I wouldn't say I do it every single time but I always look around and get an idea of the space. At a restaurant I nearly always face the door unless it's just not an option.