Range test with two modded "10'22s"

[graycrait]

10/22s at 25 yards with a slight crosswind at 94 degrees and humid as... well you know. Prone position using my Cross Tac walnut hull bags lying on my rug.

1) 16.5" 1:11.25" Optimal Twist by Capitalist Arms in a stock 10/22 reciever with metal trigger group with VQ hammer in a Archangel Target stock. Scope is Nikon P22 with Nikoplex reticle. This was the first time out for this combo, having cannibalized two 10/22s for the parts. I loaded up some mags with 60 grain Aguilas, took about 5 shots to put the holes where the crosshairs were and either Darryl or I could shoot through the same ragged hole or maybe the same hole if we didn't move the rifle. This is easiest to get to work well 10/22 I have had. The idea of accurately hammering 60grain subsonics makes me feel good. How many rounds of 60 grain .22LR can you carry in the Zombie wars or when Urban Anarchy rules the land? I didn't shoot any 30-40 grain loads in this set-up this time. I was so tickled how the 60 grainers were working in that rig that I didn't want to take the possibility of spoiling that feeling.

2) I then took the 29" standard tapered barrel by Urban Rifle Supply in a PWS T3 toggle receiver and used some of every ammo I had. This barrel and receiver has a stock trigger group massaged by me. It also sits in an Archangel Target stock using a Swift 6-18x44mm Mildot AO scope. With Blazer and Centurian ammo it was lousy. 2nd shot of 60 grain Aguilas went in sideways at 25 yards. I tried to repeat the initial success I had with Lapua Speed Ace but kept getting flyers. I used CCI Green Tag, Eley Rifle Match, Lapua mentioned, and several other high octane types of ammo. I never could get comfortable with the scope/rifle combo and kept getting flyers. I would get a couple of good rounds, then one would open the group up. I don't want to give up on this rig because it balances so nicely, but I was eyeballing that 1:11.25 twist barrel, thinking how it would work with the PWS manual receiver. Darryl advised to leave the 1:11.25 where it was cause it works well. Seeing as my 29" barrel is free floated its entire length I may use one or two of the adjustable tension pressure pads to see if I can get this thing to settle down and eat well one type of non-high dollar ammo like the Aguila Rifle Match. I have some Federal Auto Match on order to see how that fairs.

Kidd has their trigger kits on sale so I ordered one. These are the ones that go in a plastic housing and take the trigger to 1.75lbs. I had planned on putting that on my long barrelled 10/22 but now I may put it on the 60 grain Aguila shooter along with a specially tuned bolt a friend is sending me. With the right barrel I can't see why Aguila 60 grainers can't be very very accurate unless they have inconsistent loadings.I think I have the right barrel.

Next time I take the two Archangel stocked 10/22s out I am going to bring my Stealth Sporter 10/22 with the rechamberd and crowned barrel to see how it shoots alongside or in front of either of my latest projects and maybe using cheap ammo. Then I have to see how the Rugers shoot against the Winchesters, Remingtons, Marlin and the Russian Toz. If that cheap TOZ outshoots the Rugers and the the others I may just have to have a cry.

Edited July 19, 2012 by graycrait

[Guest twpayne75]

Maybe I'm wrong (probably so), but wouldn't having a 29 inch barrel cause drag on a .22 and actually decrease velocity.

I have two custom rifles built by Predator Custom Shop. One .308 and one .300 Win Mag. Both of them have very heavy barrels (hair over an inch at the muzzle - Lilja barrels) and are 22 inches long. That was the recommended length for both.

Seeing these 10/22s and others has driven me nuts. I ordered a CZ 455 Varmint a couple days ago. But that night I ordered a Fedderson 18" .92 heavy barrel and Boyd's Blaster stock for a 10/22. I am looking at triggers now. When I get all these parts in I may actually buy a 10/22.

Edited July 20, 2012 by twpayne75

[graycrait]

twpayne75

But that night I ordered a Fedderson 18" .92 heavy barrel and Boyd's Blaster stock for a 10/22. I am looking at triggers now. When I get all these parts in I may actually buy a 10/22.

Watch the 10/22 "thing" it can be like "crack." I'll be interested in seeing what receiver you buy.

[Guest twpayne75]

Are there different recievers? I thought atleast they were pretty much all the same.

I can get a base 10/22 for $220 at the LGS. Was going to just find a used one. But every used one I found was priced that high or higher.

I found a Kidd "trigger job" kit on Ebay for $89. Probably go with that. Claims to bring the trigger down to a crisp 1 3/4 pounds. Both my other bolt rifles break at 14 oz. and 18 oz. I like a light trigger. None of these are used for hunting or carrying around.

I still have to scope the 455 when it comes in. So I know I will not be able to put much more into this 10/22 for the next month or so.

[graycrait]

I ordered an 89.00 Kidd trigger kit just the day before yesterday from the Kidd website (no shipping charge). Remember those Kidd kits are specifically designed to work well in the newer stock Ruger 10/22 polymer trigger housing, not the older metal ones. The new polymer trigger housings have tighter specs supposedly.

These two scopes work nicely and look good on most traditional rimfire rifles:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/435051/leupold-vx-1-rimfire-rifle-scope-2-7x-28mm-fine-duplex-reticle-matte

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/734016/weaver-classic-rimfire-rifle-scope-25-7x-28mm-dual-x-reticle-matte

I really like this little scope also:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/353448/nikon-p-22-rimfire-rifle-scope-2-7x-32mm-1-2-moa-adjustments-nikoplex-reticle-with-rapid-action-turrets-matte

The Nikon doesn't look as sleek as the other two but I love the Nikon turrets (so far).

Generally you can find Ruger stock 10/22 reeivers without the bolt for about 110.00 on classifieds of many forums. Then you have S&H, transfer fees, etc unless you can do a FTF.

Here is a list of aftermarket 10/22 receiver makers. Most will require shipment to an FFL. I suspect there are more:

http://www.ruger1022receiver.com/

http://www.moaguns.com/rec10_22.html

http://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-22.htm

http://www.tacticalinc.com/ch22%E2%84%A2-billet-machinedbr-rear-charging-handlebrreplacement-1022reg-receiver-p-1205.html

http://www.tacticalsol.com/tshome/x-ring-custom-22lr-receiver

http://www.zimmermanarms.com/zimmerman-arms-receivers.html

http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=266&idcategory=26

[Guest twpayne75]

I ordered an 89.00 Kidd trigger kit just the day before yesterday from the Kidd website (no shipping charge). Remember those Kidd kits are specifically designed to work well in the newer stock Ruger 10/22 polymer trigger housing, not the older metal ones. The new polymer trigger housings have tighter specs supposedly.

These two scopes work nicely and look good on most traditional rimfire rifles:

http://www.midwayusa...x-reticle-matte

http://www.midwayusa...x-reticle-matte

I really like this little scope also:

http://www.midwayusa...n-turrets-matte

The Nikon doesn't look as sleek as the other two but I love the Nikon turrets (so far).

Generally you can find Ruger stock 10/22 reeivers without the bolt for about 110.00 on classifieds of many forums. Then you have S&H, transfer fees, etc unless you can do a FTF.

Here is a list of aftermarket 10/22 receiver makers. Most will require shipment to an FFL. I suspect there are more:

http://www.ruger1022receiver.com/

http://www.moaguns.com/rec10_22.html

http://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-22.htm

http://www.tacticali...ver-p-1205.html

http://www.tacticals...m-22lr-receiver

http://www.zimmerman...-receivers.html

http://primaryweapon...6&idcategory=26

Let me know how the Kidd trigger works out. All three of the scopes you listed look good. I will look around and see if I can find any deals on them.

As far as the reciever.................I think I will stick with a factory. I may end up sending it out for some work, but dang. I looked at several of the websites you have listed. I cannot see putting that into a .22 of any sort. I have roughly $4000 each in my .308 and .300 Win Mag. They will both shoot 1/4 to 1/2 MOA groups when locked down as far as you can shoot in Tennessee anyway. I can justify the cost on them. (in my mind anyway ) The avarage distance I plan on shooting this is probably 50 yards, 100 yards max. If I can get the gun to shoot 1 MOA with a barrel and trigger swap I will be very pleased.

I was watching some long range .22 shooting on Youtube the other night. Think they were shooting around 250 yards. I would love to try that. I think I am going to try to set up the CZ for that.

[graycrait]

Installed my Kidd trigger kit today into a plastic trigger housing. Works as advertised, 1.75 crisp lbs.

[Guest twpayne75]

Installed my Kidd trigger kit today into a plastic trigger housing. Works as advertised, 1.75 crisp lbs.

NICE!!! I am taking my little girl school shopping Thursday. Provided I have any money left on Friday, I am going to order one.

[RWF]

graycat sorry to hear about the 29", i do have to say that does sound like long 22 RF barrel, but know nothing about it. what ammo does the barrel maker say to use. we also never could get the 60 grain 22 rf work. no key holes but never functioned.

[graycrait]

I've not given up on the 29" barrel. I figure it needs torqueing and tuning with pressure points to get the most out of it. Worst case scenario is to cut it down, but I am a long way off from doing that.

I can run 60 grainers out of a variety of guns well as far as cycling, including small .22 pistols. Accuracy is another thing. They run great out of my 1:11.25" twist barrel. They run ok out of my Remington 552 and 572. At least good enough to kill stuff inside of 50 yards, but not good enough to hit the eyeball of a squirrel. Those 60 grainers really run nice out of a Taurus PLY 22 pocket .22 if I wanted to use them for self defense.

I can't wait till FJ Federsson makes his 1:12 twist 10/22 barrels for 60 grain SSS.

[RWF]

okay show off, we ended giving them away! (the 60 grain sub sonic)

have you been to the 22rf silhouotte matches in benton county? we not have been in years, the 75 yard turkey's are tough! it standing free style. the chicken's (25 yard) are about the size of bottle caps.

it very laid back and informal, but fun.

[graycrait]

RWF,

Benton county matches? I have enough trouble with those fellows down in Warren County, no need to visit the pros up in Benton County. Whenever I visit the Viola Valley Shooting range not only do the local LEO show up but generally a half dozen or so "retired" bulls eye shooters are hanging about. I love it when I hear some fella say, "You look like a pretty good shot, why don't we start out shooting a "buck" a shot....." I wasn't born yesterday... Some good shooters down in Warren County.

Good day to you!

Craig in Montgomery County

[RWF]

no, no there are no sharks there, honest! or at least then i was shooting there. match fee is $10 and each division winner would get a choice of trophy or ammo. plus if you get 5 or 10 in your string,no misses, you win a pin, each range 25, 50, 75 and 100 and you ten shots per string. if you hit all 10, you kept reshooting that string with all watching to see how many you can get in a role. now i have loss a few dollars on betting on myself for the most hits in a role.

most turn outs are small.

[bucnball]

According to my reference -The 22 Rifle- Winchester Press -ca. 1973 , pg 127, "it is a ballistic fact of life that even the hottest .22 Long Rifle develops its full velocity in 16 inches of barrel, and a long barrel can actually slow the slug down." This can probably be substantiated by a chronograph but I no longer recall anyone that owns one...Best Wishes, bucnball