GARY JOHNSON will END the IRS

[RobertNashville]

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. Mitt sure as shootin' ain't gonna bring us back to constitutional principles and he ain't no friend of the Second Amendment OR gun owners.

I'll stand by my original assessment.

He may not bring us back to Constitutional principles and he may not be a friend of the 2A or gun owners but I don't believe he'll actively try to undercut or ignore the Constitution nor actively try to curtail our 2A rights. I heard him speak at the NRA convention; perhaps I'm too trusting but I believed what he had to say and I found what he had to say encouraging.

[sigmtnman]

So let me get this straight. Obama can single handedly turn us into a communism but Johnson has no chance of furthering the idea of doing away with the IRS?

OK, got it.

It's not such a crazy idea to not have an IRS or income tax. The US did fine the first 130 years without an income tax. Heck by doing away with the IRS, it would at inherently end the ATF.

http://www.irs.gov/i...=101101,00.html

Edited July 11, 2012 by sigmtnman

[Caster]

So let me get this straight. Obama can single handedly turn us into a communism but Johnson has no chance of furthering the idea of doing away with the IRS?

OK, got it.

It's not such a crazy idea to not have an IRS or income tax. The US did fine the first 100 years without an income tax. Heck by doing away with the IRS, it would at inherently end the ATF.

http://www.irs.gov/i...=101101,00.html

It'll work better in the end. Less paper and redtape. You can levy a federal sales tax and do better because the lazy bums not paying income taxes will have NO choice but to pay. I'm in serious love with the idea. There's more money spent than made. Our own government proves that every day! Drug dealers, crack whores, ghetto trash, white trash degenerates; they'll ALL have to pay. There'd be more revenue for the useless bureaucrats squander and it'd STILL get some bull crap off our backs. Those of us who know how to control our spending can do so. You'd be more in control of how much tax you pay in. If you wanna pay in less, buy fewer things.

Edited July 11, 2012 by Caster

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Some might say let it sink. Let the undertow drown the ones who can't swim. Let the ones who have the testicular fortitude to persevere and make it back to shore build a new ship and be free from the burden that destroyed the first ship.

Some say crazy things. The trouble with that idea, this time, is that the ones left out in the water swimming back to shore might get shot before they reach it. As far as the prez being able to abolish the IRS, it would take more than that, but the idea of starting the process of repealing that amendment and changing to a Fair Tax or similar scheme is a good idea. It still takes a lot of heavy lifting and I think it will take time, if at all possible.

If it's going to fall, I want to know I did what I could to stop it. I think it is too late in the game for Gary Johnson or anyone other than the two major candidates, and has been for a while, but all I can do is suggest to people how they vote. If you've made up your mind stick to your guns. Either way, you might need them.

Armyveteran is posting his views by his videos because that's what he believes. I'm sure he's not the only one with that attitude.

Edited July 11, 2012 by 6.8 AR

[RobertNashville]

So let me get this straight. Obama can single handedly turn us into a communism but Johnson has no chance of furthering the idea of doing away with the IRS?

OK, got it.

It's not such a crazy idea to not have an IRS or income tax. The US did fine the first 130 years without an income tax. Heck by doing away with the IRS, it would at inherently end the ATF.

http://www.irs.gov/i...=101101,00.html

Obama is a communist...his mentor was a communist...he pastor, aside from being a nutcase, is at least a socialist and a racist. Whether he can turn the nation into a communist/socialist state is another matter but I don't think people are saying he can. What he CAN do is push a communist/socialist-based agenda (as he has been) and, if he can't get his way, there are areas where he can ignore and/or bypass the Constitution (as he has already done). In other words, he can do a LOT of damage and the more the Dems control Congress the more damage he can do (as we saw in his first two years in office). More troubling, in a second term he will likely get to nominate two or more supreme court justices which could change the balance of the court for decades and do more damage to our freedoms than a sane man would even wants to imagine.

Doing away with the IRS/income tax is a great idea (personally I like the idea of a VAT or the fair tax). However, while a President can push for that or stand in the way of it, such a huge change in how the federal government is funded would take a LARGE majority of the Congress AND the will of the people and I don't see that happening for a long time and likely never.

[sigmtnman]

Obama is a communist...his mentor was a communist...he pastor, aside from being a nutcase, is at least a socialist and a racist. Whether he can turn the nation into a communist/socialist state is another matter but I don't think people are saying he can. What he CAN do is push a communist/socialist-based agenda (as he has been) and, if he can't get his way, there are areas where he can ignore and/or bypass the Constitution (as he has already done). In other words, he can do a LOT of damage and the more the Dems control Congress the more damage he can do (as we saw in his first two years in office). More troubling, in a second term he will likely get to nominate two or more supreme court justices which could change the balance of the court for decades and do more damage to our freedoms than a sane man would even wants to imagine.

Doing away with the IRS/income tax is a great idea (personally I like the idea of a VAT or the fair tax). However, while a President can push for that or stand in the way of it, such a huge change in how the federal government is funded would take a LARGE majority of the Congress AND the will of the people and I don't see that happening for a long time and likely never.

All I can do is chuckle.

[daddyo]

He may not bring us back to Constitutional principles and he may not be a friend of the 2A or gun owners but I don't believe he'll actively try to undercut or ignore the Constitution nor actively try to curtail our 2A rights. I heard him speak at the NRA convention; perhaps I'm too trusting but I believed what he had to say and I found what he had to say encouraging.

And a lot of people believed Obama and found what he had to say encouraging. Lots of buyer's remorse since the 2008 election.

Edited July 11, 2012 by DaddyO

[RobertNashville]

And a lot of people believed Obama and found what he had to say encouraging. Lots of buyer's remorse since the 2008 election.

Which means what, exactly??? Two very different people with two very different philosophical bases.

I found what Mit had to say encouraging because of the content which is about a different from what Obama has said and done as night is from day.

[daddyo]

Which means what, exactly??? Two very different people with two very different philosophical bases.

I found what Mit had to say encouraging because of the content which is about a different from what Obama has said and done as night is from day.

I guess it means that I don't trust Mitt.

[mikegideon]

I guess it means that I don't trust Mitt.

If you trust any of them, you need to be packed off to the funny farm.

[RobertNashville]

I guess it means that I don't trust Mitt.

I guess I do; or at the very least, I believe him to be honest and trustworthy.

I suppose I do so because the Morman's I've known (and I've known quite a few over the years), are, as a group, the most moral, honest and trustworthy people I have ever known. Obviously, ascribing traits of a group to one individual is risky but I've seen nothing in Mit to cause me to think he isn't an honest and trustworthy person; that alone is more than enough for me to vote for him over the current communist in office.

Edited July 11, 2012 by RobertNashville

[Guest ThePunisher]

I guess it means that I don't trust Mitt.

Do you still trust Obama? It is really a simple choice of who you trust the most in the most crucial election of our history; Romney, a capitalist who still believes in American principles that has made her the greatest country the world has ever known, or Obama, a Marxist/communist who hates the American constitution, and keeps apologizing to foreign leaders because of American exceptionalism, and who is determined to destroy America as we've always known it.

The last three and half years of witnessing the commie makes it a pretty easy choice if you still believe in American exceptionalism. If you hate what America stands for and want to change America into a communist state, then by all means pull the lever for Obama or a wasted third party vote.

Edited July 11, 2012 by ThePunisher

[sigmtnman]

Every election since I have been alive was "the most crucial election of our history". That crap gets old.

You guys must have a finer view of the gray that separates the two parties anymore.

My neck only knows that there is a boot, not whether it is the left or right one...

[Guest ThePunisher]

Every election since I have been alive was "the most crucial election of our history". That crap gets old.

You guys must have a finer view of the gray that separates the two parties anymore.

My neck only knows that there is a boot, not whether it is the left or right one...

Your neck will feel like it is in the chopping block if you don't try to remove the commie from the WH.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Every election since I have been alive was "the most crucial election of our history". That crap gets old.

You guys must have a finer view of the gray that separates the two parties anymore.

My neck only knows that there is a boot, not whether it is the left or right one...

Empty Suit versus Stuffed Shirt.

[daddyo]

Either way, we're screwed. You watch.

[sigmtnman]

yup

[kieefer]

I guess GJ's proposal to end the IRS is the same as RP's proposal to do away with the Fed.

Both as likely as getting back to the Gold standard.

Yes, I'm a party pooper.

[sigmtnman]

Actually, it would be the same as Dr. Paul's proposal to end the IRS.

Edited July 12, 2012 by sigmtnman

[kieefer]

right.

it's out of the libertarian.........play book.

[RobertNashville]

For all who don't like Romney or don't trust Romney or or believe he is not "conservative enough" (whatever that means), please tell me what candidate is running who...

Is "Conservative enough", AND

Who you DO trust, AND

Who you do like, AND

Can actually win the election (and when I win I don't mean win based on wishful thinking or "if only" this or "if only" that; I mean show me how this mystery candidate can win based on a logical argument substantiated by independent evidence.

I don't see that candidate running this cycle...maybe I missed him or her so maybe you can show me why I'm wrong for thinking that Mit Romney is our BEST chance at getting rid of the communist we currently have in office or at least explain how having Romney in office isn't about ONE MILLION TIMES BETTER than the communist in office who, by his own words and born out by his actions wants to "fundamentally transform America"?

[Guest ThePunisher]

It's really simple. If you like socialism/communism, then vote for Obama or a third party candidate. If you like capitalism and believe in the American dream, then vote for Romney. If Romney is worse than Obama after four years, which is highly doubtful anyone could be worse than Obama, then vote Romney out. Now is the most opportune time in our history to start term limits by voting incumbents out after one or two terms. Of course, we have to get everyone off the government tit first.

[sigmtnman]

More bold may help your point Robert.

I predict the same thing will happen that always happens. If Romney gets elected his apologists will ignore his crappy policies which march us closer to fascism/socialism/communism/whatevernonfreedomism you want to call it and blame the woes on Obama and congress. If Obama wins his apologists will do the same. All the while the difference between policy will be so minuscule that it would take an electron microscope to determine it. While everyone argues about the stupid ass trivial items that are paraded around as being important, much like a shell game.

I've seen this song and dance with every presidency and every congress since I've been alive and every election we are told to toe the party line.

Have at it guys, if yall are confident your man will win, what's the problem?

[sigmtnman]

right.

it's out of the libertarian.........play book.

Well, duh. It's a freedom thing; you wouldn't understand.

Edited July 12, 2012 by sigmtnman

[daddyo]

For all who don't like Romney or don't trust Romney or or believe he is not "conservative enough" (whatever that means), please tell me what candidate is running who...

Is "Conservative enough", AND

Who you DO trust, AND

Who you do like, AND

Can actually win the election (and when I win I don't mean win based on wishful thinking or "if only" this or "if only" that; I mean show me how this mystery candidate can win based on a logical argument substantiated by independent evidence.

I don't see that candidate running this cycle...maybe I missed him or her so maybe you can show me why I'm wrong for thinking that Mit Romney is our BEST chance at getting rid of the communist we currently have in office or at least explain how having Romney in office isn't about ONE MILLION TIMES BETTER than the communist in office who, by his own words and born out by his actions wants to "fundamentally transform America"?

Then vote for the man, Robert. Like I give a rat's hiney. Not sure why you waste so much time trying to convince others that he's the best guy for the job, when he's no different from what we have now.

Edited July 12, 2012 by DaddyO