Ask Any Country That's Tried Govt. Healthcare

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2UjLX3N2mo

[Oh Shoot]

Fareed Zakaria on CNN has done a special that looks at healthcare around the world.

Unless the data is flat out falsified, Taiwan looks like they may have done it as well as anyone; and they implemented the major changes in less than a year, Switzerland's system looked pretty good too.

- OS

Edited July 3, 2012 by OhShoot

[Guest Scramasax]

When I owned a travel agency. We quite often booked travel for people from other countries into the US for surgery. This was from the ones with social/universal healthcare.

Also just had another heart attack couple of weeks ago. While I was recovering. Talked to several Dr.s about Obama care. There are quite a few that are pursuing non-patient care carrier changes.

The ripple effect will be a great tsunami in the quality and availability of quality medicine here.

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[mcurrier]

[1gewehr]

Different countries have different definitions for what is provided by the government as part of 'healthcare'. Many countries will pay for simple types of activities that can be done by a local doctor. Generally, the more specialized, difficult, or expensive activities are heavily restricted or not covered by the government unless you are part of teh political ruling class.

In fact, there are very few countries which will provide the average person the quality and level of coverage that is covered by a basic health insurance policy in the US.

There are more doctors each month that are refusing to take Medicare and Medicaid patients. Expect that trend to accelerate. Eventually, the Feds will make it mandatory for doctors to take those patients. At that point, we can expect to see a lot of drop-outs from the medical field who decide it just isn't worth being a doctor any longer. Fewer doctors plus 'free' care plus government regulation is simple formula leading to lower quality and very long waiting lines.

[Sam1]

This kind of stuff should concern everyone, Dolomite didn't pay for anything out of his accident but I'm sure he understands the scope of the expenses. My accident is now pushing $600,000 and might go up another hundred or few hundred thousand depending on follow up surgeries.

Does anyone really think that government controlled insurance is going to put the OK on a procedure for a person they think is going to cost them a million dollars over their lifetime?

[pcrc11]

Different countries have different definitions for what is provided by the government as part of 'healthcare'. Many countries will pay for simple types of activities that can be done by a local doctor. Generally, the more specialized, difficult, or expensive activities are heavily restricted or not covered by the government unless you are part of teh political ruling class.

In fact, there are very few countries which will provide the average person the quality and level of coverage that is covered by a basic health insurance policy in the US.

There are more doctors each month that are refusing to take Medicare and Medicaid patients. Expect that trend to accelerate. Eventually, the Feds will make it mandatory for doctors to take those patients. At that point, we can expect to see a lot of drop-outs from the medical field who decide it just isn't worth being a doctor any longer. Fewer doctors plus 'free' care plus government regulation is simple formula leading to lower quality and very long waiting lines.

I am not for Obama care, just dont understand enough about it and seems both sides do a good job of pushing their pro's and con's at least enough to keep us us good and confused. As to your point of all these doctors just dropping out of the profession it sure must be nice to just be able to say "you know I am sick of this, I am going to throw away that 7 years(or more) of education and the lifestyle it has provided and go do something else". It is easy to say but when push comes to shove I dont see to many being in the position to just walk away and take up another profession that easy.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Do you really think a person well trained

enough to become a physician can't do

something else? Doctors have been dropping

out like flies since that bill passed. When

they are told to take Medicare and Medicaid

patients, knowing they won't get paid, do

you blame them? They aren't getting paid

much, if anything, right now.

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[DaveTN]

Gary Johnson wants to open our borders and legalize drugs to further destroy our country. Since he has no chance of winning, when he decides he needs a job, he would fit right in with the Obama administration.

[pcrc11]

I am not saying they cant do it. I would love to quit my profession and start over. Oh wait a minute, I have a house payment, 2 car payments, 2 kids and a wife who like to eat and like the air conditioning, running water, lights, insurance, etc, etc, etc. Guess they mind if I go back to school for a couple of years and they have to give all that up while I decide what profession I wont have to worry about the government getting involved with next.

Edited July 4, 2012 by pcrc11

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Not arguing with you, pcrc11, but i've always had a job when I found another. I'm sure a doc could do the same.

Dave, I think you're right. If he wants to open our borders, that alone is enough to not vote for him.

[1gewehr]

I am not saying they cant do it. I would love to quit my profession and start over. Oh wait a minute, I have a house payment, 2 car payments, 2 kids and a wife who like to eat and like the air conditioning, running water, lights, insurance, etc, etc, etc. Guess they mind if I go back to school for a couple of years and they have to give all that up while I decide what profession I wont have to worry about the government getting involved with next.

At this point, I haven't seen a lot of doctors quitting medicine entirely. As of now, doctors CAN quit taking Medicare and Medicaid patients. And a lot ARE quitting Medicare and Medicaid. If the best and brightest doctors quit federal medicine, that leaves lower-quality and fewer doctors for the very people that the federal programs are supposed to help.

My prediction is that if that trend continues, Congress will have to force doctors to take Medicare and Medicaid patients. When THAT happens, you will see fewer people go to medical school in the first place, and existing doctors will either decide to retire or look for other jobs in medicine. Also, you may have noticed that a lot of doctors seem to be from other countries. How many of those doctors will stay here if they are forced to work for low wages? How many doctors will come to the US in the future under those conditions? All of that will cause a reduction in the number of doctors without a single existing doctor having to change careers.

All of that adds up to fewer doctors each passing year. Britain has seen this happen already. Their doctor shortage is so bad that women are no longer being allowed to go to a hospital or have a doctor present to give birth unless there are known complications (or they are well-connected).

[1gewehr]

I would love to quit my profession and start over. Oh wait a minute, I have a house payment, 2 car payments, 2 kids and a wife who like to eat and like the air conditioning, running water, lights, insurance, etc, etc, etc.

If your boss came up to you and said "We are cutting your income by half!", I'll bet that you would be looking for something else real quickly! Well, THAT is exactly what the Feds are doing to doctors, but in small increments. When your income is getting smaller, at some point you have to decide to make a change. What would YOU do?

[DaveTN]

Also, you may have noticed that a lot of doctors seem to be from other countries. How many of those doctors will stay here if they are forced to work for low wages? How many doctors will come to the US in the future under those conditions? All of that will cause a reduction in the number of doctors without a single existing doctor having to change careers.

It’s happened to many skilled trades, the construction industry, and the IT industry. Foreign Doctors can be hired cheaper. We want cheap, and we are going to get it. Luckily when I went in for my surgery I had one of the best, instead of low bidder.