Obamacare Upheld

[mcurrier]

At what point do you suppose the majority of U.S. citizens will pick up a copy of the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and read it?

Then go to their Webster dictionary and look up the word

tyranny?

Would this insignificant word have an application in our government today? Just asking.

And then go to a gun store and excercise their 2nd Amendment right...

[Dennis1209]

Stating the obvious... we need +51 seats in the Senate, no matter who gets to be dictator.

Add to my wish list the U.S. House of Representatives of which all funding flows. Stop funding the out of control executive branch and mush for brains SCOTUS. What if the House of Representatives refuses to fund this socialist program?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

At what point do you suppose the majority of U.S. citizens will pick up a copy of the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and read it?

Then go to their Webster dictionary and look up the word

tyranny?

Would this insignificant word have an application in our government today? Just asking.

I talk about it to most everyone I work with.

[Guest CCI]

Read closely!

Subject: From the pages of our new health care.

“Pg 22 of the Health Care Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123- THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 – The “Health Choices Commissioner†will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152- HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Pg 58 – Govt will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 lines 21-24- Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations.

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control

PG 84 Sec 203 – Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 – Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7- Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example: Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., community orginizers to sign up individuals. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 – Specs of Benefit Levels For Plans. #AARP members- Your Health care WILL be rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18- Medicaid-Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review†against Govt

pg 127 Lines 1-16- RE: Doctors- The Govt will tell YOU what you can make $

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll $400k & above who doesn’t provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll

PG 150 Lines 9-13- Biz w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn’t provide pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes.

Pg 195 -Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records

PG 203 Line 14-15- “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.†Yes, it actualy says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24-Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor will be affected.

Pg 241 Line 6-8- Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally sets the value of humans

PG 265 Sec 1131-Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141- Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145- TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151- The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems “preventable re-admissions.â€

Pg 298 Lines 9-11- Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission? Govt will penalize you

Pg 317 L 13-20- PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

pg 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required.

Pg335 Lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191- Govt creates more bureaucracy – “Telehealth Advisory Committee.†Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates “Advanced Care Planning Consultations.â€

PG 425 the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

PG 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced care planning consult†will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12: “advanced care consultation†may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15- The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations.

Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org.

PG 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

Pg 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.†Be very carefull here. Any problem and your right to own a firearm is gone.

PG 502 Section 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established.

PG 502 Line 5-18 Government builds the “Center†to conduct, support, & synthesize research to define our HealthCare Services.

PG 503 Line 13-19 Government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records.

PG 503 Line 21-25 Government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the US including your data.

PG 504 Line 6-10 The “Center†will collect data both published & unpublished (that means public & your private info)

PG 506 Line 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data

PG 518 Line 21-25 The Commission will have input from HealthCare consumer reps

PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up.

PG 525-620 deals with the Government basically taking over nursing homes,

PGs 525-620 deals with the Govt basically taking over nursing homes,long-term care facilities (think assisted living) through regulations of the facilities, the owners of sd facilities, the employees of sd facilities and even the land owners of that sd facilities reside on. Additionally as you read these 90+ pages you can come to the conclusion that any Health related svcs will be determined and rationed by the Govt for our senior citizens and others in nursing homes.

PG 620 Line 1-9 The Government will define, prioritize, and nationalize your Health Care Services.

PG 621 Lines 20-25 Government will define what Quality means in HealthCare.

PG 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the quality Standards Government will transfer $$ from to other Government Trust Funds.

PG 624 “Quality†measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.

G 628 Section 1443 Government will give “Multi-Stake Holders†Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality†Measures.

PG 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups including Unions deciding HealthCare quality.

PG 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure†of HealthCare Services as they see fit.

PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures†for Physician Services & Dialysis Services.

PG 635 – 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Government wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Government.

PG 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.

PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

PG 676-686 Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals. Mayo is screwed

PG 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse.

PGs 701-704 Section 1619 If your part of HealthCare plan that isn’t in Government HealthCare Exchange but you qualify for Federal aid, no payment.

705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secretary gets complaints on HealthCare provider or supplier, Government can do background check.

G 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HealthCare providers/suppliers admittance into HealthCare Exchange.

Pg 719-720 Section 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.

PG 724 Lines 16-22 Government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other HealthCare service.

PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same Government certifications will apply to medicaid & CHIP (your kids) Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforcement purposes, the Secretary of Health & Human Services will give Attorney General access to ALL data.

PG 740-757 Government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured Pg 757-762 Fed Government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)

Page 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin Pg 765 Section 1711 Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines.

Pg 768 Section 1713 Government – Nurse Home Visitation Services

Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services – “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.â€

Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Services include-economic self-sufficiency, employment advancement, school-readiness.

Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services.

Pg 789-797 Government will set & mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs will brought to market.

Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for grad medical education. The government will now control Drs education. PG 801 Sec 1751 The Government will decide which Health care conditions will be paid.

Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc. required to register. Government takes over private payment system.

Page 820-824 Sec 1801 Government will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal finances.

Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Government Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund.

PG 829-833 Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans including self insured to pay for Trust Fund!

PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by Government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.

838-840 Government will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expecting kids. Gov into your home now.

PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program includes Government coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!

Pg 859 Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000.

PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HealthCare for 2 years for part loan repayment.

PG 876-892 The Government takes over the education of our Medical students and Drs.

PG 898 The Government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps. to ensure supply of public health professionals.

PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.

898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.

PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.

901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers.

PG 910 The Government will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.

PG 913-914 Government starts a HealthCare affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.

PG 915 SEC. 2251. Government MANDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HealthCare professionals.

Pg 932 The Government will establish Preventative & Wellness Trust fund – intial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion.

PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Bloomberg!

PG 936 Government will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Performance Standardsâ€

PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Government? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Services, Minority Health, Women’s Health

PG 950- 980 BIG Government core public health infrastructure includes workforce capacity, lab systems; health information systems, etc

PG 993 Government will establish school based health clinics. Abortion on demand at school.

PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment.

PG 1001 The Government will establish a National Medical Device Registry.

PG 1003 9-11 National Medical Dev Reg ‘‘(iii) other postmarket device surveillance activitiesâ€

PG 1018 States give up some of their State Sovereign

[Guest 6.8 AR]

And everyone thought Sarah Palin

was crazy for using the words"death

panel". That's what we have.

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[mcurrier]

[Caster]

Now, I would never think of making a threatening remark against a judge, but how would you guys like to be wearing those robes WTSHTF?

[mcurrier]

[mcurrier]

[mav]

Commentators today talking about since the "reconciliation" thing was used to pass the final version of it, would only take the same ploy to repeal it, or at least remove all fiscal details from it, essentially rendering it a toothless shark. As little as I understand all that, budgetary bills passed by reconciliation process only take 51 votes.

- OS

I just read another article commenting on the use on "reconciliation" as a tactic that could be used to repeal Obamacare. From my understanding, and as I stated earlier, budgetary bills only require a simple majority to pass. However, what I did not know was the use of reconciliation limits the debate to 20 hours and limits the number of ammendments. Also, reconciliation does not allow a filibuster. Sheesh, the Senate rules are hard to decipher.

[mcurrier]

Romney has problem calling it a "tax"

DON'T WUSS OUT ON US ROMNEY, LIKE McCAIN DID!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/02/romney-others-still-honing-message-on-obamacare-tax-or-penalty/

[mikegideon]

Romney has problem calling it a "tax"

DON'T WUSS OUT ON US ROMNEY, LIKE McCAIN DID!

http://www.foxnews.c...tax-or-penalty/

He has to be careful how he words it, since he did the same thing in Libachusetts

[mcurrier]

Now in suppository form!

[mcurrier]

[mcurrier]

GOP governors stand ground against ObamaCare despite ruling

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/03/gop-governors-stand-ground-against-obamacare-despite-ruling/#ixzz1zZc94UoQ

[chances R]

Charles Krauthammer's view.........hope he is right:

June 28, 2012

To all my friends, particularly those conservatives who are despondent over the searing betrayal by Chief Justice John Roberts and the pending demise of our beloved country, I offer this perspective to convey some profound hope and evidence of the Almighty’s hand in the affairs of men in relation to the Supreme Court’s decision on Obamacare.

I initially thought we had cause for despondency when I only heard the results of the decision and not the reason or the make-up of the sides. I have now read a large portion of the decision and I believe that it was precisely the result that Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Roberts and even Kennedy wanted and not a defeat for conservatism or the rule of law. I believe the conservatives on the court have run circles around the liberals and demonstrated that the libs are patently unqualified to be on the Supreme Court. Let me explain.

First let me assure you that John Roberts is a conservative and he is not dumb, mentally unstable, diabolical, a turncoat, a Souter or even just trying to be too nice. He is a genius along with the members of the Court in the dissent. The more of the decision I read the more remarkable it became. It is not obvious and it requires a passable understanding of Constitutional law but if it is explained anyone can see the beauty of it.

The decision was going to be a 5-4 decision no matter what, so the allegation that the decision was a partisan political decision was going to be made by the losing side and their supporters. If the bill was struck down completely with Roberts on the other side there would have been a national and media backlash against conservatives and probably strong motivation for Obama supporters to come out and vote in November. With today’s decision that dynamic is reversed and there is a groundswell of support for Romney and Republicans, even for people who were formerly lukewarm toward Romney before today, additionally Romney raised more than 3 million dollars today.

Next, merely striking the law without the support of Democrats and libs would have left the fight over the commerce clause and the “necessary and proper “ clause and the federal government’s role in general festering and heading the wrong way as it has since 1942. As a result of the decision the libs are saying great things about Roberts; how wise, fair and reasonable he is. They would never have said that without this decision even after the Arizona immigration decision on Monday. In the future when Roberts rules conservatively it will be harder for the left and the media to complain about the Robert’s Court’s fairness. That’s why he as Chief Justice went to the other side for this decision not Scalia, Alito, Thomas or Kennedy, all of whom I believe would have been willing to do it.

Next let’s look at the decision itself. Thankfully Roberts got to write it as Chief Justice and it is a masterpiece. (As I write this the libs don’t even know what has happened they just think Roberts is great and that they won and we are all going to have free, unlimited healthcare services and we are all going to live happily ever after.) He first emphatically states that Obamacare is unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause saying you cannot make people buy stuff. Then he emphatically states that it is unconstitutional under the “necessary and proper†clause which only applies to “enumerated powers†in the US Constitution. Justices Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan all went along with these statements. They never would have gone along with that sentiment if that was the basis for striking the law in total. This is huge because this means that the Court ruled 9-0 that Obamacare was unconstitutional under the Commerce clause which was Obama’s whole defense of the bill. They also ruled 9-0 on the “necessary and proper†clause. Even better both of these rulings were unnecessary to the decision so it is gravy that we got the libs to concede this and it will make it easier to pare away at both theories in the future, which we must do. Well done.

Roberts, through very tortured reasoning, goes on to find that the taxing law provides the Constitutionality for the law. Virtually everyone agrees that the Federal government has the power to do this as it does with the mortgage deduction for federal income taxes. This too is huge because Obama assiduously avoided using the term “tax†and now he has to admit this law is a tax and it is on everyone even the poor. That will hurt him hugely in the polls and will help Romney. More importantly though is the fact that this makes this a budgetary issue that can be voted on in the Senate by a mere majority instead of 60 votes needed to stop a filibuster. That means that if the Republicans can gain a majority in the Senate, it can vote to repeal Obamacare in total.

Finally the Court voted 7-2 to strike down the punitive rules that take away money from states that do not expand Medicare as required in Obamacare. This too is huge because we got Kagan and Breyer to join this decision and it can easily be applied to many other cases of extortion the Federal government uses to force states to do things they don’t want to. This is also amazing because Obamacare has no severability clause so by striking the Medicaid mandate portion as unconstitutional the whole bill should have been struck. If that happened none of these other benefits would have been accomplished. I haven’t read far enough to know how he did it but I am sure it is brilliant.

So to recap the Roberts court through a brilliant tactical maneuver has: strengthened the limitations of the commerce clause and the necessary and proper clause by a unanimous decision, made Obama raise taxes on the poor and middle classes, converted Obamacare into a tax program repealable with 51 votes in the Senate, enhanced Romney’s and Republican’s fundraising and likelihood of being elected in November, weakened federal extortion and got the left to love Roberts and sing his praises all without anyone even noticing. Even Obama is now espousing the rule of law just 2 weeks after violating it with his deportation executive order.

That is why I have decided this was a genius decision and that I did in fact get a great birthday present today not to mention U. S. Attorney General Eric Holder being held in contempt. What a day.

[kieefer]

I like his opinion on it and the fact that Romney's donations were in the millions that day are good signs BUT, we are still in dangerous times. We won't recover from the past 4yrs for quite some time. Write it off if this idiot gets another 4.

[mcurrier]

Joan Walsh on GOP: 'White Older Base That Doesn’t Quite Understand the Way Healthcare Works'

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/07/04/joan-walsh-gop-white-older-base-doesn-t-quite-understand-way-healthca#ixzz1zfb2ncLN

[Guest ThePunisher]

Obamacare is all about control over you. The Dumacrats don't care if you have health insurance, they just want to tax you and collect the money. Why didn't they make it mandatory to have healthcare insurance until something drastic happens to you. They will save money if people just pay the tax at the end of the year. Why did they cut 545 billion from Medicare. To keep seniors from quality healthcare and save money. Why did they want a government database. Why the death panels to determine the quality of your healthcare. Government control over you. .

The government now has their claws into you, and are squeezing tight until they have total control over your life. Just hand over your wallets and get use to it. Welcome to the implementation of communism in America. The founding fathers warned you of the dangers of tyranny, but the country went to sleep, and it's looks like the country will still not wake up. I'm afraid we have made our bed hard, and now we will have to lie in it. The commies took over our country and didn't fire a shot.

Edited July 6, 2012 by ThePunisher

[Guest 6.8 AR]

This is the end result of their idology.

Can't help it if you don't wish to believe it, but believe it to your own peril.

[Glenn]

Looks like all these zombie killing weapons everyone has so much fun putting together and talking about may get to be used after all.

Glenn