The Elephants and Donkeys deserve the BIRD

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDSUoIVMze8

[Caster]

I'm getting the feeling you support Gary Johnson.

[hornett22]

Not familiar with GJ but the two parties have been doing this country no good for decades.

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

Not familiar with GJ but the two parties have been doing this country no good for decades.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front

[kieefer]

RonPaul's feelings are going to be hurt.

[TMF]

Who is this "Ron Paul" you speak of? Please tell me more...

[mav]

RonPaul's feelings are going to be hurt.

Funny.

I think what it does show is that ArmyVeteran is supporter of freedom and liberty more than just a supporter of any candidate. If it was anybody but Obama we are facing in November, I would probably be voting for Johnson too. I trust Johnson to keep his word a lot more than Romney. Since it is Obama, I came to the conclusion that there was just too much to risk by voting for a third party candidate. Obama has to be removed from office either by impeachment and conviction or by losing the election. Either works for me.

As a side note on all of the RP and GJ threads, I am amazed at how many people whine about all of the threads posted. I think anyone who has been on the forum for a little while knows what type of thread AV is going to post, especially if it is in the political section. As long as he isn't violating TGO's rules, terms, and conditions, I say keep them coming. For those that don't like them, well... that is really tough s**t. Nobody forces anyone to click on the threads.

[kieefer]

It seems odd to me for AV to be such a strong supporter of RP in the past and now he's going even further away from a possible wining candidate with GJ....? Whatever.

IMO, If you are truly for freedom and liberty you better vote to get this idiot out of office and that's not going to happen going 3rd party. Then do your best in your local elections to get your libertarian favorites in a respectable position in government. Maybe one day you'll have your day, one in Nov. won't be it.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

I left a question at GJ's site yesterday. Most likely won't get a specific answer, but it is one of the quesitons I've ranted about on here in the past.

I mean, I agree with most of the cookie-cutter libertarian platform and have for many years, but am curious how much detail GJ has considered. I like him better than either Oromney or Rombama, but platitudes only get you so far. My question was in response to one of his site's policy points about cutting back social security. I'm not against getting reamed even more brutally "for the common good", as long as the pain is spread around. No D or R would ever admit that partial default on China is an option, even if they consider that partial default on retirees is an option. So in the remote chance he replies, will see if he either has the guts to touch a third rail, or even better if he can offer a satisfactory solution to the Kobayashi test (nerdy star trek reference).

The smart-aleck last line is because it makes me mad to get form letters from politicians. Would rather be ignored than get a form letter.

Hi Mr. Johnson. I am a self-employed geezer. I agree with the majority of your platform. If you reply to this first question then I have a few more questions. In case of no reply I won't send more questions but good luck regardless.

This question regards spending/entitlements-- I have studied gov budget and income in some detail. Undoubtedly our spending must be slashed. OBVIOUSLY babies must be thrown out with the bathwater, but WHICH babies should be thrown out with the bathwater?

I paid about a quarter-million dollars to Social Security. The Social Security actuaries appear relatively competent because the payment schedule has been calculated in such a way that regardless when I retire, I must live to age 83 to get my money back.

I am unlikely to live 83 years. I will almost certainly get ripped-off for part of it even if Social Security is not scaled back. So here is a triage question--

If social security must be cut in order to save the budget-- That would be a partial default on the worthless social security bonds. If we must scale back social security by X percent-- Then wouldn't it be reasonable to default X percent on ALL federal bonds?

For instance if we default on 10 percent of social security bonds then shouldn't we also default on 10 percent of the federal bonds owned by China, Saudi Arabia, Goldman Sachs and George Soros? I would not be so bitter at my rip-off if nations, banks and fat cats also experience an identical ripoff. On the other hand if I must get ripped off in order to make it easier for the gov to pay China and Goldman Sachs, then I might become very bitter.

Thanks for your thoughtful consideration. If you can only send a form letter reply then please don't bother to reply at all.

Edited June 16, 2012 by Lester Weevils

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

[LI0NSFAN]

Funny.

I think what it does show is that ArmyVeteran is supporter of freedom and liberty more than just a supporter of any candidate. If it was anybody but Obama we are facing in November, I would probably be voting for Johnson too. I trust Johnson to keep his word a lot more than Romney. Since it is Obama, I came to the conclusion that there was just too much to risk by voting for a third party candidate. Obama has to be removed from office either by impeachment and conviction or by losing the election. Either works for me.

As a side note on all of the RP and GJ threads, I am amazed at how many people whine about all of the threads posted. I think anyone who has been on the forum for a little while knows what type of thread AV is going to post, especially if it is in the political section. As long as he isn't violating TGO's rules, terms, and conditions, I say keep them coming. For those that don't like them, well... that is really tough s**t. Nobody forces anyone to click on the threads.

Totally agree, It would be nice if all candidates would tell there supporters to vote Obama out, therefore voting for Romney. I really feel that it is all of them vs Obama. I really wish this was not the case but we need to make a change to end this downward spiral. My hope is that Romney can just slow the spin and maybe just get us going enough that the next POTUS can point us in the right direction. Looks like we are going to have rebuild 4 years at a time. If we are better off than we were when the POTUS was elected than re-elect, if not vote for the other guy. Edited July 11, 2012 by Lions Fan

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

Totally agree, It would be nice if all candidates would tell there supporters to vote Obama out, therefore voting for Romney. I really feel that it is all of them vs Obama. I really wish this was not the case but we need to make a change to end this downward spiral. My hope is that Romney can just slow the spin and maybe just get us going enough that the next POTUS can point us in the right direction. Looks like we are going to have rebuild 4 years at a time. If we are better off than we were when the POTUS was elected than re-elect, if not vote for the other guy.

Why not just make the u-turn now instead of years down the road when all our rights have been stripped from us and tyranny is in full effect!

[LI0NSFAN]

Why not just make the u-turn now instead of years down the road when all our rights have been stripped from us and tyranny is in full effect!

I would love that but, there is noway anyone but Romney can get enough votes to beat Obama. It is a sad truth but every independant that has run falls short by ALOT. Ross Perot came the closest and he still did not get half the popular votes it would take to win and still got 0 electoral college votes, which are what actually matter. We have to start electing good local officials first and make our way up. As long as the electoral college is in effect it will alway be a red and blue issue. I applaude you AV for finding a good candidate to stand by but if we all vote that way we will fall together. I hate that the power has really been taken away from the people. Any other year you and I would be on the same page but this is the make or break election for our nation. Nothing I have read about Romney says he wants to take rights away, but Obama has always been open about his Obamacare which is the opening to strip rights. Edited July 11, 2012 by Lions Fan

[RobertNashville]

Why not just make the u-turn now instead of years down the road when all our rights have been stripped from us and tyranny is in full effect!

Because supporting someone who can not and will not win election against a liberal communist dictator-want-a-be doesn't provide a "u-turn" at all; it only supports continuing down the same road and likely at a faster pace than would happen if we elected the Republican candidate.

[LI0NSFAN]

Because supporting someone who can not and will not win election against a liberal communist dictator-want-a-be doesn't provide a "u-turn" at all; it only supports continuing down the same road and likely at a faster pace than would happen if we elected the Republican candidate.

Well put.

[kieefer]

The anxiety of Saturday's Nebraska vote got you all excited?

Oh'boy, Ron Paul gets a 15minute speech at Romney's Convention if he gets his delegates on Sat..

The best thing he could say at this speech is for his supporters to get behind his friend Mitt and continue his fight with his no votes.

My bet is that he won't, he will continue to divide the party that has gotten him more recognition than if he stuck with the Libertarian Party. Reminds me of oblameo with all his class-warfare and class-division, sorry, the game is more or less over with.

Time for him to help Mitt all that he can and hope for a cabinet position before he retires. Turn the movement over to your son Ron and GJ and let the grassroots efforts flourish.

No chance GJ or RP can beat MR, they only can hurt the real cause, getting BHO out of office.

[Oh Shoot]

I'll say this, anybody who does the Red Eye show several times is all right by me. It also proved him to be quite the insightful and witty fellow, which may not have been apparent in his (I think, two?) national debate appearances.

So, I'd vote for GJ on that alone, if he had any chance of winning at all.

I voted Libertarian last election in general disgruntlement, didn't matter since TN went red. Sure hope it does again, as I really do think this IS the most important election since who knows when in history.

It may be USA's last chance, or it may not matter since we're already past the tipping point, but even if so, there's no sense hurrying to The Fall

with BHO.

- OS

Edited July 12, 2012 by OhShoot

[Guest ThePunisher]

Make RP the surgeon general in the Romney administration.

[Dolomite_supafly]

How about this, if Romney really wants the best for the country he can bow out and tell all his supporters to through there votes to RP?

RP would be a far better President for the country than anyone else right now.

I am going to vote Obama out but Romney is nothing more than a democrat of 20 years ago. You can see it in his personal life as well as his professional life. I suspect if Romney makes it into office he is going to one of the worst Presidents ever, even worse than Obama. And we are going to see more BS shoved down our throats because he is going to pander himself to those who are really in power.

Dolomite

[Guest ThePunisher]

I suspect if Romney makes it into office he is going to one of the worst Presidents ever, even worse than Obama. And we are going to see more BS shoved down our throats because he is going to pander himself to those who are really in power.

Dolomite

If you really believe that Romney will be worse than Obama, then why waste your vote and just vote for Obama.

[RobertNashville]

If you really believe that Romney will be worse than Obama, then why waste your vote and just vote for Obama.

Yuup...if people really dislike Romney that much or think he would be worse President than the Communist they they might as well cut to the chase and just vote for the Communist.

As for me, even though I don't believe Romney is a Democrat of 20 years ago I'd still gladly take a Dem of 20 years ago over a communist any day of the week and twice of Sunday.

[sigmtnman]

Can't speak for others, but I've never said Romney would be worse. It seems to be pretty clear that I feel it would be the same excepting minuscule appearances that are neither here nor there.

But, what scares me most is that the Romney apologists will allow the next step down the staircase because they will turn a blind eye as has happened in the past.

It's quite juvenile for you guys to keep insisting that people who don't agree with your ideas are defacto supporters of the candidate you dislike.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

[Guest ThePunisher]

Again, it's really, really, really elementary. With our own eyes, we've witnessed a communist occupying the WH, with intentions of transforming America into a Marxist/communist state that is antithetical to the principles of our founding fathers, constitution, capitalism, and the American dream that we've all known our whole life. Our country has spent countless money and blood, sweat and tears fighting communism worldwide. There cannot be any doubt that Obama is a Marxist commie, unless you have had your head buried in the sand the last three and half years and you only watch MSM news outlets that should be put on trial for treason.

Romney is a capitalist who loves America and the principles that has made her so great. He may not be everybody's best choice, but he is the best choice in the race to defeat the commie. He is the only hope we have of stopping the runaway spending and debt that threatens America becoming like Greece. He will not impose socialism/communism on America. He will not transform America into a Mormon faith believing nation. He wil fight government tyrannical bureaucracies such as EPA, and others that put too much regulations on people trying live the American dream. He will not burden people with high taxes that constrain our freedom to pursue happiness.

You can vote for Obama and go along with the communist transformation he promises, or you can vote for Romney who promises to salvage the America we've all known so everyone has a chance to live the American dream. It's up to every individual to discover what the American dream is, but everyone will have the opportunity if Romney is elected POTUS. If Obama gets re-elected, get ready for heavy burdens of the ball and chains, and indoctrination of Amerika comradeship.

[RobertNashville]

Again, it's really, really, really elementary. With our own eyes, we've witnessed a communist occupying the WH, with intentions of transforming America into a Marxist/communist state that is antithetical to the principles of our founding fathers, constitution, capitalism, and the American dream that we've all known our whole life. Our country has spent countless money and blood, sweat and tears fighting communism worldwide. There cannot be any doubt that Obama is a Marxist commie, unless you have had your head buried in the sand the last three and half years and you only watch MSM news outlets that should be put on trial for treason.

Romney is a capitalist who loves America and the principles that has made her so great. He may not be everybody's best choice, but he is the best choice in the race to defeat the commie. He is the only hope we have of stopping the runaway spending and debt that threatens America becoming like Greece. He will not impose socialism/communism on America. He will not transform America into a Mormon faith believing nation. He wil fight government tyrannical bureaucracies such as EPA, and others that put too much regulations on people trying live the American dream. He will not burden people with high taxes that constrain our freedom to pursue happiness.

You can vote for Obama and go along with the communist transformation he promises, or you can vote for Romney who promises to salvage the America we've all known so everyone has a chance to live the American dream. It's up to every individual to discover what the American dream is, but everyone will have the opportunity if Romney is elected POTUS. If Obama gets re-elected, get ready for heavy burdens of the ball and chains, and indoctrination of Amerika comradeship.

VERY well said.

[kieefer]

Ron Paul lost again in Nebraska. Some say because he did nothing while his supporters did all the work. Sad, thought he was in it till the end.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/ron-pauls-delegate-insurgency-ends-in-nebraska/

Will Mitt give him a spot at the podium? Why would he want to?

Always Gary Johnson