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Guest 6.8 AR
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This is just a "Jimmy Carter II" political football

game with a Muslim twist. If Obama thinks it's

good that the brotherhood took every country

in the region, that should tell one all they need

to know.

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Imagine the turmoil in the region is some muzzie decides to shut down the Suez canal to all the infidels.

The turmoil would last for a very, very short period. We wouldn't be the only ones involved either.

Remember what Keanu Reeves said in Speed, "Crazy, not stupid."

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The turmoil would last for a very, very short period. We wouldn't be the only ones involved either.

Remember what Keanu Reeves said in Speed, "Crazy, not stupid."

Maybe, but there'd still be a lot of buzzard feed in that very short period.

Guest kingarmory
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Look for them get support from the other festering :poop: holes that Africa has to offer too.

They'll get plenty of support from the :poop: head President of the USA, he's gone out of his way to help the radical Muslims every chance he's gotten. You know, the same people who executed the 9/11 attacks and most every other act of modern terrorism....

Piss on that :poop: head Obama

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Guest 6.8 AR
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The Muslim Brotherhood's main goal is death

to Israel. Secondary goal is to destroy the

USA. Closing down a shipping lane wouldn't

accomplish much right now. We have plenty

of oil, but Europe may not be happy with that

scenario.

With our weakened defense, thanks to Obama,

if something happens with China and Korea, and

an attack on Israel, the takeover by Muslims of

the middle east will set up a huge problem for

Israel, us and Europe. The making of WWIII.

We don't need this Jimmy Carter imposter in

charge with problems like that. The global

economic meltdown could already be enough

for a shooting war, on top of everything else.

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did you see that the main stream tv news organizations don't have anything about this. the american people realy don't know what is going on in the world.

Guest 6.8 AR
Posted

Now, what you you really think the media's

job is? Report the news? That's why CNN

is tanking, along with most of them. They've

been caught too many times partnering

with liberals and their agenda.

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Secondary goal is to destroy the

USA. Closing down a shipping lane wouldn't

accomplish much right now. We have plenty

of oil, but Europe may not be happy with that

scenario.

Even the Frogs would be dropping bombs on them before we had a chance to get a carrier off the coast. They're crazy, not stupid.

With our weakened defense, thanks to Obama,

if something happens with China and Korea, and

an attack on Israel, the takeover by Muslims of

the middle east will set up a huge problem for

Israel, us and Europe. The making of WWIII.

We don't need this Jimmy Carter imposter in

charge with problems like that. The global

economic meltdown could already be enough

for a shooting war, on top of everything else.

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Certainly could happen. It is the minor squabbles of the middle east that somehow seem to strain global politics between the East and the West. I wish it weren't so but it is. We don't need a warmonger in office to fix this, but we sure as hell don't need a limp wristed career politician in there either.

The Muslim Brotherhood's main goal is death

to Israel.

Hmmm.... never heard of this "Israel" you speak of. I've heard of Occupied Palestine though.

Guest kingarmory
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Hmmm.... never heard of this "Israel" you speak of. I've heard of Occupied Palestine though.

Hmm.....hopefully "British Mandate for Palestine" rings more of a bell for you than "We must secure the existence of......" :waiting:

Guest bkelm18
Posted

did you see that the main stream tv news organizations don't have anything about this. the american people realy don't know what is going on in the world.

The American people do not care what is going on in the world.

Posted

Hmm.....hopefully "British Mandate for Palestine" rings more of a bell for you than "We must secure the existence of......" :waiting:

I was making a joke to point out the irony of the Muslim Brotherhood not recognizing "Israel" as it were, but referring to it as Occupied Palestine, therefore, they don't actually stand for the destruction of "Israel" since such a place doesn't exist in their mind.... so, it was a joke... get it? I know, it's not funny if it has to be explained, but I didn't see folks interpreting it as "Mein Kampf-y".

Guest kingarmory
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I was making a joke to point out the irony of the Muslim Brotherhood not recognizing "Israel" as it were, but referring to it as Occupied Palestine, therefore, they don't actually stand for the destruction of "Israel" since such a place doesn't exist in their mind.... so, it was a joke... get it? I know, it's not funny if it has to be explained, but I didn't see folks interpreting it as "Mein Kampf-y".

No worries, its just that usually the people referring to the area as "Occupied Palestine" are either Muslims or 88'ers.

Posted

I always refer to it that way in jest after walking past a travel agency in a Palestinian neighborhood in Jordan that advertised travel to Occupied Palestine. I know they think of it that way, but I never saw it so official before.

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From ACT For America:

Since the toppling of Hosni Mubarek, there have been a number of reports regarding Obama administration behind-the-scenes support of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The Washington Times reports the latest below.

You may recall that in 2009, when Iranians rose up in protest of the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran, President Obama refused to issue even a statement of support for the protestors. His justification was that we shouldn’t get involved in the internal politics of Iran.

Apparently no such reluctance existed for the Obama administration to get involved in the internal politics of Egypt—on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood.

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From ACT For America:

Since the toppling of Hosni Mubarek, there have been a number of reports regarding Obama administration behind-the-scenes support of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The Washington Times reports the latest below.

You may recall that in 2009, when Iranians rose up in protest of the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran, President Obama refused to issue even a statement of support for the protestors. His justification was that we shouldn’t get involved in the internal politics of Iran.

Apparently no such reluctance existed for the Obama administration to get involved in the internal politics of Egypt—on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Is there anyone with credibility coming out with these reports? Not that I would EVER doubt something on the internet, but it seems when someone just says "reports" of something so incredibly outlandish there would be more than just speculation to back it up.

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Is there anyone with credibility coming out with these reports? Not that I would EVER doubt something on the internet, but it seems when someone just says "reports" of something so incredibly outlandish there would be more than just speculation to back it up.

Here is an example of just one link between Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood. This woman is Hillary Clinton's chief advisor, Hillary Clinton is Obama's Secretary of State. Not to mention that the White House (e.g. Obama) has praised the Muslim Brotherhood for their 'victory' in Egypt indicating his pro muslim brotherhood stance.

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From Shoebat:

It was encouraging to see five sitting US Congressmen – led by Rep. Michele Bachmann – send a letter to the Office of the Inspector General at the State Department recently; it made reference to the familial relationships Huma Abedin – Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff and closest advisor – has to the Muslim Brotherhood. Abedin has much fewer than six degrees of separation (1 or 2 depending on your interpretation) from Egypt’snewly elected Muslim Brotherhood president – Mohammed Mursi.

One year ago, when Walid discovered the names of 63 leaders who make up the Muslim Sisterhood – which is essentially nothing more than the female version of the Brotherhood – we learned that Huma’s mother, Saleha, was one of those leaders. Little attention has been paid to the other 62 leaders, however. One of them is Najla Ali Mahmoud, the wife of Mursi. Both are members of the Guidance Bureau, which proves fallacious, the claim that Najla is just an innocent and naïve spouse.

This would make Huma’s mother a close, personal colleague of the wife of a virulently anti-Semitic racist who has officially been declared the first president-elect of post-Mubarak Egypt. Mursi also sat behind a Muslim cleric at a presidential campaign rally before the first round of elections, nodding in approval as the cleric enthusiastically informed the crowd that under Mursi, Jerusalem would become the new capital of the next Caliphate.

Watch the video:

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Abedin has the ability to leak highly sensitive state secrets; she is closely associated with her Muslim Brotherhood family; she even joined Clinton at an event with Saleha at Dar El-Hekma College in Saudi Arabia and another leader who appeared on the list of 63 as an associate of Saleha Abedin—Suheir Qureshi. Huma’s brother—Hassan Abedin—has also collaborated with an al-Qaeda godfatherOmar Naseef and Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, two of the most influential terror supporters in the world.

All signs point to Huma using a technique championed by Qaradawi himself. It’s called Muruna and it allows Muslims to go to extreme lengths to deceive and convince non-Muslims they pose no threat. One such act permitted by Muruna would be for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man if it furthered the cause of Islam.

Consider, Huma Abedin is also the wife of former US Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY), who happens to be Jewish. Why hasn’t Huma denounced her mother or the views espoused by the Sisterhood? In fact, as the twitter sex scandal involving Weiner was playing out last year, the New York Post reported that the former Congressman allegedly claimed that there were three women he needed to reconcile with – Huma, Hillary, and Saleha. Perhaps the biggest red flag of all is why Huma – a practicing Muslim – wasn’t disowned by her family for marrying a Jew in the first place.

When it was learned that Saleha was a member of this extremely nefarious group, Walid was able to uncover mountains of evidence from news sources – in Arabic – that implicated Huma’s mother as being part of a plot reminiscent of Hitler’s Nazi Germany. Today, much of these connections have vanished. Short of identifying Saleha as the Dean of Dar el Hekma, her tracks have been all but covered.

If she and Huma aren’t stealth collaborators, why is this so?

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Certainly makes for a good movie plot if it's true. I tend to be a skeptic by nature, so I always look for things that can be easily explained away with reasonable answers when it comes to the conspiracy stuff. There is a bunch of it in there; circumstantial leading commentary. I can't speak for some of the supposed extremists/terrorists listed there because the names are not familiar, but I'll look around this weekend to check it out. I will say, one thing that raises an eyebrow is a continued relationship with her family with her being married to a Jewish man. That may be something that flies in a progressive Muslim household, but affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood is a different story. The rational (or anti-conspiracy) explanation to that the mother's connections to that organization are either exaggerated or non-existant. Otherwise, like I said, it makes for an interesting movie plot. Plus his last name is Weiner... still can't get over the irony of it.

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Okay, I went ahead and dug around a bit to see if there was any merit to this article. Yes, there is some. However, forgive me for being immediately suspicious of sources such as this, as it is written with mostly opinion and speculation, much in the same way as we accuse MSNBC, CNN, BBC and Fox News. I get real annoyed when hard facts are presented in such a manner as to mislead me to a false conclusion… for example:

FACT: The price of tea in China has risen 37% between January and March of 2012

FACT: Gun related homicides in American cities has risen 37% between January and March of the same year.

Both are facts (they aren’t, I just made them up) but can be presented in such a manner as to make the average reader draw an intended conclusion: Guns=higher tea prices… or the other way around, but you get my point.

What annoys me more than that is when you have a sprinkling of facts in an article, but the author throws in so much opinion and speculation that he is forcing his opinion on you. I prefer to get the facts and make my own judgment. But, once again, there are some interesting trails this article leads to. Unfortunately the author didn’t take enough time to focus on the real connections, even though it isn’t hard to find.

Here is an example of just one link between Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood. This woman is Hillary Clinton's chief advisor, Hillary Clinton is Obama's Secretary of State. Not to mention that the White House (e.g. Obama) has praised the Muslim Brotherhood for their 'victory' in Egypt indicating his pro muslim brotherhood stance.

I have searched and searched and couldn’t find anywhere that Obama specifically “praised†the Muslim Brotherhood for their win in Egypt. I know that’s how many here are going to interpret it, but objectively speaking, he was praising the fact that they had elections. His reference to “milestone of democracy†was speaking of the fact they held democratic elections at all. Had Mursi lost the election Obama would have said the same thing. Since Mursi won Obama had to say something… well I guess he didn’t have to, but diplomatically it’s what world leaders do when a country that has been under a dictatorship has free elections, even if that previous dictatorship is one that we nurtured. It’s global politics. This is one of those statements where the author is trying to tell me what my opinion is. I don’t need to be told that Obama is an idiot or a parrot. I can come to those conclusions on my own.

From Shoebat:

It was encouraging to see five sitting US Congressmen – led by Rep. Michele Bachmann – send a letter to the Office of the Inspector General at the State Department recently; it made reference to the familial relationships Huma Abedin – Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff and closest advisor – has to the Muslim Brotherhood. Abedin has much fewer than six degrees of separation (1 or 2 depending on your interpretation) from Egypt’snewly elected Muslim Brotherhood president – Mohammed Mursi.

One year ago, when Walid discovered the names of 63 leaders who make up the Muslim Sisterhood – which is essentially nothing more than the female version of the Brotherhood – we learned that Huma’s mother, Saleha, was one of those leaders. Little attention has been paid to the other 62 leaders, however. One of them is Najla Ali Mahmoud, the wife of Mursi. Both are members of the Guidance Bureau, which proves fallacious, the claim that Najla is just an innocent and naïve spouse.

I don’t know how reliable the information is that Saleha Abedeen sits on the Guidance Bureau of the Muslim Sisterhood. I wasn’t able to find any reference of that with the exception of the site referenced above, which is a site dedicated to combating the spread of Islam. It doesn’t mean it isn’t true, but of all the dozens of articles on the internet claiming this story, the only reference is on this one site which includes no references to the above information. Anyone of us could write an article that says George Bush is a Grand Wizard in the KKK, and if three dozen websites decided to write their own articles and cite mine it doesn’t make it true. And before you say it, you can’t disprove a negative. The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. I have seen no proof.

However, I would say that it is likely/probable. Based on her late husband’s community status and hers as well, it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for her to hold such a position. Especially being one of the founders of a women’s’ college in Saudi which seeks to increase the percentage of women in the work/business world. Of course, little can be found on its existence and roles (Muslim Sisterhood/Sisters) as the organization is probably quite small due to social norms and all, which goes back to where did this information come from?

This would make Huma’s mother a close, personal colleague of the wife of a virulently anti-Semitic racist who has officially been declared the first president-elect of post-Mubarak Egypt. Mursi also sat behind a Muslim cleric at a presidential campaign rally before the first round of elections, nodding in approval as the cleric enthusiastically informed the crowd that under Mursi, Jerusalem would become the new capital of the next Caliphate.

In regards to Saleha being a “close personal colleague†of Najla (Mursi’s wife) it doesn’t seem likely or at least shouldn’t be immediately assumed.

First off, using the reference above from Shoebat, it shows that Saleha is on the Guidance Board for Saudi and Najla is on the Guidance Bureau in Egypt. Considering that there is one in nearly every middle eastern country, and that there are 63 of them, I hardly think that constitutes “close personal colleagueâ€, unless she is assumed to have 61 other “close personal colleagues.†That’s a lot of people to be close with. I know a lot of people… I can only manage to be close with so many… how ‘bout you?

There are plenty of people here that are members of shooting clubs and often times those members will engage in events at other shooting clubs such as IDPA matches. Are you immediately a “close personal colleague†of everyone from the other club just for shooting in their match once a year?

Not that there isn’t communication between the branches and offices of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the Guidance Council serves an administrative function of task organizing directives sent down by the Shura, and therefore, would only apply in the country that they are operating out of. Furthermore, I have yet to see the actual role of the Sisterhood or how they fit into the overall organization, other than they are a branch of it. I don’t even know if being on the “Guidance Council†in the Sisterhood actually means you’re on the actual Guidance Council of the Brotherhood…. I’m thinking that, although they are a subordinate organization, they are likely organized in the same way as the Brotherhood only without a Shura… chicks can’t do that.

Abedin has the ability to leak highly sensitive state secrets; she is closely associated with her Muslim Brotherhood family; she even joined Clinton at an event with Saleha at Dar El-Hekma College in Saudi Arabia and another leader who appeared on the list of 63 as an associate of Saleha Abedin—Suheir Qureshi.

Once again, the first sentence is trying to tell me what to think. Of course she is close with her family; aren’t most people? I’m close with my family and I have had access to all kinds of secret stuff. I mean, they aren’t in any political groups diametrically opposed to the US, but they like to drink beer and shoot guns. I’m sure they’d love to hear some of the stuff I know.

On the event at Dar al-Hekma. I’m not sure why Clinton was there; probably more of the same stuff she does around the rest of the world… going to talk to girls/women seeking education and present herself as an example. Yeah, I threw up in my mouth a little bit too after re-reading that sentence, but that’s what Hillary does. She likes people to clap for her, even if her hubby is out getting clap from anything with a hole and a heartbeat.

Back to what I was talking about, Dar al-Hekma was founded in 1999 with Huma’s mom (Saleha) helping to stand it up. In fact, the school was funded originally on donations from Texas International Education Consortium, which often funds new universities and works with 32 universities in the State of Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_International_Education_Consortium). This, in a country that doles out millions, if not billions, to any new Islamic University opening in its country (Saudi). The fact that the Saudi government wouldn’t even fund it should tell you that the object of the Dar al-Hekma is to actually educate the women there… something those royals don’t like. If you look at the degrees they offered when they opened they were management information systems, interior design, and special education. Since then a number of relevant degrees have been added to the program, but Islamic Studies is still off the list. Probably one of the few universities in the country like that.

Huma’s brother—Hassan Abedin—has also collaborated with an al-Qaeda godfatherOmar Naseef and Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, two of the most influential terror supporters in the world.

Now this is where your tin foil hat should get donned and where this author shows his lack of Google-Fu. He tries to point out that Huma’s brother had some kind of professional or personal relationship with Abdullah Omar Naseef. Well, of course, Naseef was like a grandfather, or even an uncle to him…. since Naseef was his father’s BENEFACTOR. Yep, and why that isn’t mentioned is beyond me. That is the real connection, if you want to make one, between Huma and some sinister terrorist organization.

Naseef would have been a pretty important character in her life growing up, since he is the one that bankrolled her parents and was somewhat of a mentor to her father. He was an un-tenured academic at Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo when he decided to put his PhD in American Civilization to good use and suddenly move to Saudi… that was sarcasm there. He became a counselor of the Muslim World League (MWL) shortly after his move from the States, an organization that Naseef happens to be the Secretary General of.

Beyond that we have the relationship with Naseef’s wife. Well, in a coincidental twist, Huma’s mother actually translated (into English) and edited one of Mrs. Naseef’s (Fatima Umar Naseef) books. If you want to see whether she is a moderate or not, go ahead and Google her and check out some of the passages from her books (spoiler alert: she is not a moderate.. she be a crazy broad). The English version was published by the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs, an organization founded by Huma’s father before being appointed to the Muslim World League…. when he was a broke academic.

Now, I wouldn’t classify Abdullah Naseef as the “godfather†of al-Qaeda, but he certainly had close company with someone that would certainly be a Don. Try to follow because I had to read a few releases from Feds investigation into this along with various articles.

Rabita Trust is a subsidiary of the MWL in that the MWL manages it even though the Pakistani government provided 85% of its funding. The mission statement of Rabita was to relocate Pakistani refugees, but let’s just say the numbers don’t reflect the operating costs. It was determined that Rabita was an al-Qaeda front and was a funnel of money to terrorists. Well, Wa'el Hamza Jalaidan was the person heading Rabita and he just happens to be an old war buddy of Osama bin Laden. He also is one of the founding members of al-Qaeda. All the while MWL has “some†degree of oversight, but surely they can’t keep tabs on the financial dealings of all their subsidiaries, right? What I would consider to be a conflict of interest would be the Secretary General of MWL serving as Vice President of a subsidiary such as Rabita. I mean, even if you remove terrorists from the equation that’s sounds corrupt in it of itself. Now bring the terrorism factor into it and there is a little tin foil hat time going on. Either way, the Vice President of Rabita should have knowledge of where an approximate $100,000 went to, because it didn’t go to relocating Pakistani refugees. (Edit: BTW, the point I was making was that Naseef was the Vice Pres of Rabita, even though he was the Secretary General of the MWL. There is no way he would have plausible deniability of terrorist funding as he held an echelon above AND below the head of Rabita.)

This is where the hard evidence comes in. This isn’t the only ties Naseef has, either financially or administratively, to terrorists… mostly al-Qaeda. The Googler has all kinds of stuff. No doubt he is a big time terrorist facilitator, but an educated white collar that has managed to keep himself from the fray.

So what does this mean for Huma? Well, I don’t know. There are clear ties between her family and a terrorist facilitator… but sins of the father and all. Does that mean she is immediately guilty? No, but if I had the connections she does I would never, ever get a clearance. Meanwhile, she’s got quite a lot of access working for Hillary. Policy being the most important and counter-intelligence threat being second to that.

All signs point to Huma using a technique championed by Qaradawi himself. It’s called Muruna and it allows Muslims to go to extreme lengths to deceive and convince non-Muslims they pose no threat. One such act permitted by Muruna would be for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man if it furthered the cause of Islam.

Consider, Huma Abedin is also the wife of former US Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY), who happens to be Jewish. Why hasn’t Huma denounced her mother or the views espoused by the Sisterhood? In fact, as the twitter sex scandal involving Weiner was playing out last year, the New York Post reported that the former Congressman allegedly claimed that there were three women he needed to reconcile with – Huma, Hillary, and Saleha. Perhaps the biggest red flag of all is why Huma – a practicing Muslim – wasn’t disowned by her family for marrying a Jew in the first place.

Well, yeah, I guess. Nearly all of that is speculation. I would say that since her father died in ’93 she doesn’t have to worry that much about being kicked out of the family for marrying a Jew. I guess her brother would be next in line to excommunicate her, but who knows? Of course, with everything written above, I doubt that her mother could continue to enjoy her lifestyle amongst the elite Muslim scholars of Saudi with that kind of shame, so the question still remains. It doesn’t smell right for sure.

Here is something else I found, apparently miss Huma bought herself a downtown apartment in D.C. Well, she has never made more than 28,000 a year in all her time working for Hilldog. Granted, she may have some projects on the side, maybe some sports drink endorsements, but it’s hard to raise money to buy the place she did. The apartment she bought back in 2006 was sold for $650,000. Yeah, that’s a hefty price tag. I don’t do too bad myself, but in downtown D.C. the property taxes are probably 3 times my mortgage which means she doesn’t even make enough cheese working for Hilldog to cover her property taxes. Before her current job she was an intern for the Clintons, so the only time she was getting paid was when she was under the desk. Then there is the issue that no bank would qualify her for a loan like that, even in 2006. Yes, it does make me wonder. I can assume her father accrued some wealth while working for Muslim scholars in the Saudi Kingdom, that were likely raining down riyals on him like a gangsta, but he died 20 years ago and her mother has been working at an underfunded women’s college since. I dunno, maybe they went to Edward Jones and did some good financial planning after daddy went to paradise. That would mean that she is sitting on a mountain of cash and decides to practically work for free. That is a whole lotta drive and motivation that young lady has. Yup, makes me suspicious too.

When it was learned that Saleha was a member of this extremely nefarious group, Walid was able to uncover mountains of evidence from news sources – in Arabic – that implicated Huma’s mother as being part of a plot reminiscent of Hitler’s Nazi Germany. Today, much of these connections have vanished. Short of identifying Saleha as the Dean of Dar el Hekma, her tracks have been all but covered.

If she and Huma aren’t stealth collaborators, why is this so?

Make your comments HERE.

Laura J Alcorn,
 National Director

Okay, c’mon here. What evidence? Are we in bizarro world where proof of misdeeds is the fact that no proof exists? Okay, well in that case Mel Gibson flew one of the planes on 9/11 and jumped out just before it hit, gliding safely to the ground in his custom, Jew-hating parachute. My proof of this is the fact I can’t find evidence anywhere on the internet…. COVER-UP!!!

But seriously, it looks to me like there is something that warrants looking into by one or more of those three letter agencies. Like I said, anyone with a background and connections to terrorists such as this would never get a clearance and would likely be investigated by the FBI immediately upon applying for any government job. It is a very interesting story and a good movie plot if they ever make one. In all seriousness, this should probably be its own thread because it is very thought provoking. If you want to start one I’ll go ahead and post this there.

Here are some freerepublic.com links that are way better than this article. Everything is laid out in a factual manner with little opinion or emotion. Makes it easier to read and make your own decision instead of it being told to you. Cheers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921983/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1924323/posts?page=220

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