Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber

[Oh Shoot]

I'd like to see it in writing, honestly. I never signed a contract or read anything to the effect that the school is required to grant me a diploma....

Not all contracts require a written paper contract to be enforceable. Also, fraud does not require breach of a contract to be charged.

I wish the school thread hadn't gotten involved in this one, btw.

- OS

Edited June 6, 2012 by OhShoot

[Guest bkelm18]

Not all contracts require a written paper contract to be enforceable. Also, fraud does not require breach of a contract to be charged.

- OS

I still see it weighted towards the institution and not individual. However my main point being that you are not guaranteed a diploma by any right or law.

[mcurrier]

I still see it weighted towards the institution and not individual. However my main point being that you are not guaranteed a diploma by any right or law.

Not by right of birth, or gender, or color of skin, or just walking in to the registrar's office of any random institution, agreed.

But by the fact that it was earned (earned) by fulfillment of the necessary requirements and was at the point of actually being presented, and then suddenly witheld, by some logic, you believe that is ok? It's no use going further on this subject as we can not come to a mutual understanding of the facts of this situation.

[robin48]

I'd like to see it in writing, honestly. I never signed a contract or read anything to the effect that the school is required to grant me a diploma. In either case, it's still not a right, it's a business transaction.

Requirements are set by the state. If the requirements are met honestly then by law you are entitled to a diploma. If it happened to someone you love you may see it a bit differently.

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[Guest bkelm18]

Requirements are set by the state. If the requirements are met honestly then by law you are entitled to a diploma. If it happened to someone you love you may see it a bit differently.

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Can you show me this law?

No, can't say I would see it any differently. I don't get emotionally attached to pieces of paper. They set the rules and if you don't play by them there are penalties. That's called life.

Edited June 6, 2012 by bkelm18

[robin48]

Can you show me this law?

No, can't say I would see it any differently. I don't get emotionally attached to pieces of paper. They set the rules and if you don't play by them there are penalties. That's called life.

It's the same law that requires students to attend school. That law also sets requirements for graduating. If those requirements are met in an honest manner ie not cheating, what gives the institution the authority to withhold the diploma. I think and this is my opinion and my right to free speech under the constitution that you just like to argue lol. Which is your right to free speech which I support no matter how much I may disagree.

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[Guest 6.8 AR]

Can you show me this law?

No, can't say I would see it any differently. I don't get emotionally attached to pieces of paper. They set the rules and if you don't play by them there are penalties. That's called life.

I think it falls like Mac said, an implied contract, where upon completion of the requirements the student

is due the documentation showing he or she met those requirements, a diploma. the only thing that might

get in the way would be some kind of morals requirement that could put it in jeopardy. If some got rowdy

at the graduation ceremony they should have been sent home and the diploma mailed to them.

[Guest ThePunisher]

Look up the Tennessee State Board of Education at tn.gov. They govern how one is to get an education in TN.

Edited June 6, 2012 by ThePunisher

[daddyo]

Rounding up a group of citizens and handcuffing them in the name of "finding a criminal" is not law enforcement. It's laziness and dumbassery.

[TMF]

I cringe to say it but I'd rather see the bank robber get away then have several dozen law abiding citizens rolled up and handcuffed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'd like to know more about the story, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where this would be appropriate. They apparently had no problem locking down the area. They could have done the same thing and set up a checkpoint for the folks to drive through, and get descriptions on the way out. Maybe it would have put the officers at an increased risk, but that's the game you play when you put on the uniform. Citizens' rights shouldn't be sacrificed for officer safety.

Edited June 6, 2012 by TMF 18B

[Tnscooter63]

Fania said. “They all granted permission, and once nothing was found in their cars, they were un-handcuffed.â€

I am surprized they all alowed this. I cant help but wonder if this had been me there with a loaded hand gun and refused the search what might of happened. Here in TN your car is considered like your home, so what would it be like if someone 2 blocks over got broken into and they were looking for the suspect in the nieghborhood? could they force me out of my home and detain me while searching my home? I guess if I alowed it, but I doubt I would and I hope some people there get real loud about this, I bet this cost them dearly.

[Mark@Sea]

What bank robber? They found no money, just a guy with a couple of guns in his car.

[Jonnin]

I am kind of ok with how they handled it. If you were there, you were a suspect --- so they take a look in your car, find no stolen bag of money, and you move along. No different than if you were leaving any other crime scene. I would like to think that if I were leaving the scene of a murder, the cops would stop me. That is sort of their job.

I am much more disturbed that they assume the person with a loaded gun is a criminal than I am that they checked all the vehicles in the area. I hope this is just bad journalism or the police being quiet about any additional evidence (they often do not give the press all the facts on purpose). It would be very bad if the "suspect" is only a suspect because of the guns --- there has to be more evidence than this.

[Tnscooter63]

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20770317/aurora-police-hunt-suspects-after-bank-robbery

It wasnt a crime scene until the police made it one. It was about 3 miles away and it just wasnt right. There is no good justification to hold men, women and children at gun point and handcuffed. And if the suspect started shooting and a bystander got hit what then? justified or not? I would rather the officers be safe but these types of instances seems to be at others expences.

[Tnscooter63]

What bank robber? They found no money, just a guy with a couple of guns in his car.

That was really funny how the reporter called them "high powered weapons" HA

[mcurrier]

http://www.denverpos...er-bank-robbery

It wasnt a crime scene until the police made it one. It was about 3 miles away and it just wasnt right. There is no good justification to hold men, women and children at gun point and handcuffed. And if the suspect started shooting and a bystander got hit what then? justified or not? I would rather the officers be safe but these types of instances seems to be at others expences.

This is exactly what my concern was. The original article made it sound as if the people were stopped right outside the bank on the corner, not several blocks or miles away. This is completely unacceptable.

[Mark@Sea]

3 miles away, 2.5 hour stop. Absolutely no probable cause, no reasonable suspicion.

Line 'em up, hand 'em pink slips, and let 'em know that no way does qualified immunity cover this, bud.

[mikegideon]

3 miles away, 2.5 hour stop. Absolutely no probable cause, no reasonable suspicion.

Line 'em up, hand 'em pink slips, and let 'em know that no way does qualified immunity cover this, bud.

It's for the children

[DaveTN]

Yet the bank robber, with his mask, and money wrappers from the bank was taken into custody. Good tip, fast follow-up, suspect in custody. He had to have been turned in by an accomplice or someone that followed him from the bank if the cops didn’t even have a description.

If he had got away because they failed to act on that tip and he killed someone later the Police would have been blamed for that also; at least this way they got an armed fugitive off the street.

I question how they could have had no description, or why they handcuffed everyone, but I wasn’t there. I’m sure more will come out later.

I doubt anyone has to worry about their job over this.

[Mark@Sea]

The ends justify the means? You really believe that?

[f3joel]

there is just something not right about this...

[BrasilNuts]

^^^^^^ Agreed

I'd like to see the raw footage from this.

[JayC]

Somehow this one doesn't bother me much ... it was a most unique situation, cops had good reason to think intel was correct, and surprise, it was -- got the bad guy. Some citizens inconvenienced, but with a nifty lifelong cocktail party story. Hardly "police state" stuff methinks.

- OS

How exactly do the police have probable cause that a bank robber is stopped at a stop light at this exact minute, yet have no information about their race, gender, age, clothing, or make, model, color of vehicle they are in?

The citizens were held in handcuffs for almost 2 hours, had their vehicles searched, and there children who were riding with them scared half to death... That sounds a little more serious than a simple inconvenience to me.

[Oh Shoot]

How exactly do the police have probable cause that a bank robber is stopped at a stop light at this exact minute, yet have no information about their race, gender, age, clothing, or make, model, color of vehicle they are in?...

Dunno, but seems the guy was indeed there, so right now probable cause looks pretty good, whatever it was.

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Will have wait to see just how it all went down.

- OS

Edited June 8, 2012 by OhShoot

[BrasilNuts]

The ends justify the means? You really believe that?

The Police Chief does.

"Police Chief Daniel Oates on Monday apologized to the innocent bystanders that got caught up in the search for the suspect. Oates also said the ends justify the means since the suspect was caught."