Judge Shuts Down Mega-Mosque Construction - Murfreesboro, TN

[Oh Shoot]

don't matter what the 75% think.

Only matters the intent of who wrote the TN constitution. Does not take much to guess that the writers of it answered to a Christian God

and could not imagine any other.

Maybe God of the Jews too, since the Christians appropriated their book (and God) ?

- OS

[mikegideon]

Maybe God of the Jews too, since the Christians appropriated their book (and God) ?

- OS

Appropriated, and dramatically improved. He got a lot mellower in the sequel.

[Oh Shoot]

Appropriated, and dramatically improved. He got a lot mellower in the sequel.

'Cept he's sending all them disbelieving Jews to hell -- that's still a bit on the harsh side.

- OS

[mikegideon]

'Cept he's sending all them disbelieving Jews to hell -- that's still a bit on the harsh side.

- OS

Right God, wrong version. Still part of the 75%

[Oh Shoot]

Right God, wrong version. Still part of the 75%

Eternal damnation for refusing to upgrade. Even worse than Microsoft.

[mikegideon]

Eternal damnation for refusing to upgrade. Even worse than Microsoft.

The same as Microsoft. You're the first one to make the connection. Enlightening chat!

[Oh Shoot]

The same as Microsoft. You're the first one to make the connection. Enlightening chat!

Deliver us from evil corrupted registry files:

Edited May 31, 2012 by OhShoot

[mikegideon]

Deliver us from evil corrupted registry files:

To can always join the Mac church (not yours... Apple's), and then more than 75% are going to hell.

[TMF]

Eternal damnation for refusing to upgrade. Even worse than Microsoft.

Hats off, Sir. Well played.

[mcurrier]

Appropriated, and dramatically improved. He got a lot mellower in the sequel.

Malachi 3:6 - For I am the Lord, I change not

'Cept he's sending all them disbelieving Jews to hell -- that's still a bit on the harsh side.

- OS

He's not sending anyone, they choose to go by free will.

Eternal damnation for refusing to upgrade. Even worse than Microsoft.

Again, free will, freedom of choice. Many stubborn people would rather make that choice by default rather than the easy and better choice, but...to each his own.

[QuietDan]

Malachi 3:6 - For I am the Lord, I change not

It's not so much that He changed. Our conception and understanding of Him changed. IMO

[Oh Shoot]

Malachi 3:6 - For I am the Lord, I change not...

Yep, and any pious Jew would agree. It's you johnny-come-lately Christians that re-wrote the longstanding rulebook.

- OS

[mcurrier]

Yep, and any pious Jew would agree. It's you johnny-come-lately Christians that re-wrote the longstanding rulebook.

- OS

Yeah, about 2,000 years ago. Talk to Paul, Peter, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Then call Jesus and God.

[Oh Shoot]

Yeah, about 2,000 years ago....

That is johhny-come-lately compared to the Hebrew Bible, what youse guys ripped off as the "Old Testament".

Since the copyright had run out and it was in public domain, the Jews couldn't sue for the plagiarism.

- OS

Edited June 1, 2012 by OhShoot

[94user]

Wow. This thread has gone a long way, from what's wrong with ISLAM into what's wrong with Christianity.

[Guest ThePunisher]

Malachi 3:6 - For I am the Lord, I change not

He's not sending anyone, they choose to go by free will.

Again, free will, freedom of choice. Many stubborn people would rather make that choice by default rather than the easy and better choice, but...to each his own.

+1 This

[Oh Shoot]

Wow. This thread has gone a long way, from what's wrong with ISLAM into what's wrong with Christianity.

Where ya get that? Just a little factual exchange about historical sequence of things. Unless you want to contend that Paul/Saul of Tarsus wrote the Hebrew Bible or something.

As far as the "bloodthirsty" nature of Islam, as I mentioned early on in thread, it's in about the same place as Catholicism was in the 11th-14th centuries.

So given roughly the equal amount of time to evolve, it'll likely defang its own more radical elements, just as Christianity did, rather than continuing to focus on the more violent exhortations found in abundance in the Old Testament that fostered little episodes like 300 years of Crusades, controlling the thrones of several countries, the Spanish Inquisition, and whatnot.

Likely already would have, if the average Muslim had a pot to piss in and a window to throw it out of. The next world don't look so bad when you ain't got squat in this one, or worse, any hope of getting it.

As far as ultimately in The 'Boro (or NYC or anywhere else in USA): if a Christian church or Jewish temple is allowed to occupy a given space, so must a Muslim mosque. They break the law, charge 'em. They violate the political provisions of 501c3, tax 'em. There are a lot of politically activist Christian churches shouldn't be tax free under 501c3 either.

- OS

Edited June 1, 2012 by OhShoot

[mcurrier]

That is johhny-come-lately compared to the Hebrew Bible, what youse guys ripped off as the "Old Testament".

Since the copyright had run out and it was in public domain, the Jews couldn't sue for the plagiarism.

- OS

Agreed, however "jews" had a good part in writing the New Testament as well. Jesus was a Jew and most of the writers of the NT were Jews, including Paul/Saul who wrote 2/3 of the NT. Let's say that about that time after spending time with Jesus and hearing His teachings, their thinking "evolved". Now where have I heard that recently?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

"As far as ultimately in The 'Boro (or NYC or anywhere else in USA): if a Christian church or Jewish temple is allowed to occupy a given space, so must a Muslim mosque. They break the law, charge 'em. They violate the political provisions of 501c3, tax 'em. There are a lot of politically activist Christian churches shouldn't be tax free under 501c3 either."

That's a good point, Mac. If the land in question is good for any church, no problem. Is that the case?

I just don't understand the defense of the muslims for the sake of the criticism of christians. Sure, there are some historical events that were bad with Christianity, like all other religious systems, but I don't see the relevance in comparing events that happened a millenium ago, and considering the age of muslim religious age to be some justification in allowing this event to be accepted. I won't go into the details because I'm not that good at it and trying to compare the two timelines doesn't do anything for me. 9/11 made me suspect in my lifetime towards that "religion". Maybe the muslims will eventually purge their more radical element, but I want them to take that first step, if they are sincere. I have my doubts and so does this country. All I see is this being one more step in the grave for our country.

That's my personal issue. The Murfreesboro thing I have no say in, just an opinion.

I also understand your statement about the christian faith being socialist, but it's not. There certainly are socialists within several churches, but not to the extent of a governmental entity, in my eyes. I remember several adult Sunday School classes where it was sitting right in front of me. Of course, I was surrounded by college professors who I thought were more impressed by Marx than the Bible. I quit attending, but that was one church.

If we're to be in a struggle, in this day and age, I think I would rather have Christianity on my side than the buffoons running the government, because Christianity isn't quite as power hungry as it once was. That doesn't mean I want a pure religious government, either. It would be real nice to get back to Jefferson's wishes right now, but a "religion" is using a crack in the system the wrong way. Proliferation, plus probably training camps to further their goal of destroying Christianity. For whatever reason, holding a grudge that long doesn't cut it.

Back to the OP, let the planning commission fix the mess they started. The laws need to be used correctly. If their doesn't belong there, so be it. If it does, it does.

Edited June 1, 2012 by 6.8 AR

[Oh Shoot]

... Jesus was a Jew and most of the writers of the NT were Jews, including Paul/Saul who wrote 2/3 of the NT. Let's say that about that time after spending time with Jesus and hearing His teachings, their thinking "evolved"....

Well, Paul never claimed to have met Jesus, except in his supernatural experience on the Damascus road -- but anyway, Christian is not a bloodline, like Jew or Arab. Those few "Jewish Christians" basically absconded with 3-5,000 years of their own ethos and mythos to add JC as the Messiah. But of course it's not correct to say that these early Christians did that (absorb the actual Tanakh); Catholic nabobs over 400 years assembled the Christian Bible.

Of course Islam jumped in to claim divine enlightenment through the Abrahamic lineage also, but not any of the actual writings.

- OS

Edited June 1, 2012 by OhShoot

[mcurrier]

Well, Paul never claimed to have met Jesus, except in his supernatural experience on the Damascus road -- but anyway, Christian is not a bloodline, like Jew or Arab. Those few "Jewish Christians" basically absconded with 3-5,000 years of their own ethos and mythos to add JC as the Messiah. But of course it's not correct to say that these early Christians did that (absorb the actual Tanakh); Catholic nabobs over 400 years assembled the Christian Bible.

Of course Islam jumped in to claim divine enlightenment through the Abrahamic lineage also, but not any of the actual writings.

- OS

The entire OT sets up for the coming of the Messiah with many foreshadows and prophecies and promises of God of His coming, all the way from the beginning right in Genesis. In that the Pharisees, Sadducees, Romans and many others could not see the fulfillment of the prophecies happening right before them, the NT is simply a continuation of what God said was to come all throughout the OT. The early jewish christians simply did not abscond with anything.

The islam religion began close to 600A.D., much after Jesus and the forming of christianity and the writings of the NT/christian bible. Muslims and arabs are descendants of Ishmael, while jews are descendants of Isaac and are under the Abrahamic covenant, muslims/arabs not being so because of Ishmael being an outcast.

[Oh Shoot]

...while jews are descendants of Isaac and are under the Abrahamic covenant, muslims/arabs not being so because of Ishmael being an outcast.

Well, outcast or not, Ishmael is part of all this theoretical bloodline, and Islam calls Abraham the "First Muslim" and "Our Father Abraham".

- OS

[mcurrier]

Well, outcast or not, Ishmael is part of all this theoretical bloodline, and Islam calls Abraham the "First Muslim" and "Our Father Abraham".

- OS

I hear ya! And Warren says she's Cherokee Indian too.

[mcurrier]

Judge Voids Tennessee Mosque Approval But Doesn't Stop Construction

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/01/judge-voids-tennessee-mosque-approval-but-doesnt-stop-construction

[BigK]

I've learned a lot reading this conversation. One parallel I found most interesting is the bit about 'where Christianity was when it was the same age as Islam is now'. I can't help but think that if Christians had the kind of bombs back then that radical Islam has today, we wouldnt' be having this conversation...there'd be no Muslims. Both sides had swords back then and both sides have bombs today. Ain't progress grand?

One big difference I see is that Islam is out-breeding Christianity by leaps and bounds all over the world. By the time they outgrow the violence, they will be plentiful enough to achieve all their goals (whatever they are?).