photo speed enforcement equipment

[Guest Field Boss]

I first would like to state that I have not had a ticket of any kind in over 25 years, some luck and good driving habits. And with age have learned to avoid hazards if I know that they exist. I live in the same county as Decherd and to help support the tax base in that county, I buy at Krogers, buy home and car insurance, auto parts, credit union, Walmart and so on. Guess what, I can go across the county line,to Tullahoma which is nearer and get get all same services and avoid the hazard of the speeding cameras and not have a private company make profit off the violation.

[DaveTN]

Distracted drivers is #1 cause, speed is the #1 factor in how bad the crash will be.

[TMF]

Distracted drivers is #1 cause, speed is the #1 factor in how bad the crash will be.

Well I'm specifically talking about fatalities. Someone texting and driving at 35 mph isn't likely to produce a fatality while someone doing the same at 80 is. Speed/physics is what causes death. To argue that somehow a lighter vehicle is less subject to the laws of physics than a heavier vehicle doesn't make sense. It only changes the inertia.

[Patton]

Better yet, don't drive if you dont want to follow the rules. People act like its there constitutional right to drive fast.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

So I'm seeing a trend that tells me a bunch of you

don't really mind the continual intrusion with things

like cameras, drones and more regulations?

Don't break the law and you won't get a ticket

seems to fit when it's with a cop or a camera.

I'd rather deal with a cop any time. The camera

will continue to intrude in other ways the more

they are allowed. Put them on all street corners.

See how they get used. Use your imagination.

If you like intrusiveness, remember how the TSA

has abused their use of their technology. Made

some of their employees downright criminals.

I didn't realize some of you were that much for

a larger government. Remember, with all the

new technology comes a new bureaucracy,

also. Wait and see.

I'd have thought you would want to fight to keep

this stuff out of your lives. Technology will outstrip

your freedom fast if you let it.

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[JohnC]

So I'm seeing a trend that tells me a bunch of you

don't really mind the continual intrusion with things

like cameras, drones and more regulations?

Don't break the law and you won't get a ticket

seems to fit when it's with a cop or a camera.

I'd rather deal with a cop any time. The camera

will continue to intrude in other ways the more

they are allowed. Put them on all street corners.

See how they get used. Use your imagination.

If you like intrusiveness, remember how the TSA

has abused their use of their technology. Made

some of their employees downright criminals.

I didn't realize some of you were that much for

a larger government. Remember, with all the

new technology comes a new bureaucracy,

also. Wait and see.

I'd have thought you would want to fight to keep

this stuff out of your lives. Technology will outstrip

your freedom fast if you let it.

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They won't get it until it's too late. It's the trend nowadays. Give up everything to the government, they'll take care of you, your health and safety. Riiiight!!

For the others....

No amount of traffic cameras is going to reduce traffic accidents or fatalities.Think about it folks, with all the police on the roads now, there is a statistic or an average no matter what you do in regards to accidents and fatalities. So how do you think a revenue generating camera with low cost tickets and no points on your record will deter speeders (and red light runners)? They aren't even taxed time wise as they don't get pulled over; they can just continue on. And when they spot those traps and learn thier locations, they just slow down and speed right back up! Absolutely useless.

At least uniformed officers can hide and move around.

Edited May 27, 2012 by JohnC

[Pain103]

How is a camera in a public place where there is no expectation of privacy intrusive? I'm not a fan of them but I've never gotten a ticket from one by abiding by the law while operating my vehicle.

[runco]

I am not worried about big brother monitoring me when I am off of my property, and the speeding cameras I am not worried about. They just started the speeding camera thing in Madisonville a few months ago. Since I hit 40 some 4 1/2 years ago, my problem is not speeding, but rather keeping up with the speed limit. When driving and drifting into thought, my wife will jolt me that I am driving too slow again! 20 years ago, yes speeding cameras would have been my enemy, but today, I really do not care, if it helps LEO depts, and curb speeders, then yes they are okay. As far as big brother monitoring my movements and frequencies of movements in public, they can ride along with me if they would like.

[Timestepper]

So I'm seeing a trend that tells me a bunch of you

don't really mind the continual intrusion with things

like cameras, drones and more regulations?

Don't break the law and you won't get a ticket

seems to fit when it's with a cop or a camera.

I'd rather deal with a cop any time. The camera

will continue to intrude in other ways the more

they are allowed. Put them on all street corners.

See how they get used. Use your imagination.

If you like intrusiveness, remember how the TSA

has abused their use of their technology. Made

some of their employees downright criminals.

I didn't realize some of you were that much for

a larger government. Remember, with all the

new technology comes a new bureaucracy,

also. Wait and see.

I'd have thought you would want to fight to keep

this stuff out of your lives. Technology will outstrip

your freedom fast if you let it.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They won't get it until it's too late. It's the trend nowadays. Give up everything to the government, they'll take care of you, your health and safety. Riiiight!!

For the others....

No amount of traffic cameras is going to reduce traffic accidents or fatalities.Think about it folks, with all the police on the roads now, there is a statistic or an average no matter what you do in regards to accidents and fatalities. So how do you think a revenue generating camera with low cost tickets and no points on your record will deter speeders (and red light runners)? They aren't even taxed time wise as they don't get pulled over; they can just continue on. And when they spot those traps and learn thier locations, they just slow down and speed right back up! Absolutely useless.

At least uniformed officers can hide and move around.

You guys are both pigeon holing and denigrating the respondents to this thread and obfuscating the initial issue which was speed cameras in a specific municipality.

I don't recall saying anywhere that I'm in favor of speed cameras (or drones or more regulations). Or that the aforementioned cameras have anything to do safety. I've said, if you don't want to get a speeding ticket, DON'T SPEED! And as much as I don't want to speak for the other posters here it seems like that has been the general consensus. bkelm18 even mentioned a great way to get rid of them: Slow down and abide by traffic laws and negate the revenue that they produce! All that seems pretty simple and straight forward (at least to me).

But according to you guys, if we're not dead set against them or fearing for our lives and liberty then we must all be mindless sheeple in favor of more government intrusions who will in fact welcome the coming of the Big Brother state. To that I respond: BULLCRAP! You keep advocating personal rights without ever taking into account that YOU don't have the RIGHT - or the personal individual knowledge of each of us - to make that assumption. How dare you presume to tell me what I'm thinking or in favor of?!! Talk about a Big Brother mentality! You make the wrongful assumption that If we don't think the way YOU think - that is to say if we don't readily adopt your Chicken Little mentality and decry the very existence of speed cameras and all of the evil you claim they represent - then we're wrong and naive and somehow don't believe in the things that made this country great. And to that I say: BULLFEATHERS! Talk about intrusiveness! You're intruding into my head and telling me what to think! And I somehow find myself resenting that more than some stupid camera nailed to a pole with a sign below it warning you that it's there!

You want a cop to write the ticket? Great! Speed past one. I'm sure he or she will be happy to oblige. But the same people who slow down for speed cameras and then speed up again will slow down when they see a cop and then speed right back up as soon as they perceive themselves out the "danger zone." I see it every day! And how is a cop who "hides" any less an intrusion than a speed camera that sits there in plain sight?

As to the TSA - do they have speed cameras? No? Then what the hell are they doing in a thread about speed cameras? Oh, that's right! It's a correlation to somehow prove that we're all sheeple and too dumb to know the sky is falling. Give me a freakin' break! Next thing you'll be telling me is that there was a speed camera on the grassy knoll or that the guy on the grassy knoll invented speed cameras to bring about the downfall of modern society by turning us into... Jesus, I can't even go on, this is so asinine!

Don't want a speeding ticket? DON'T SPEED!!! Don't want speed cameras? Negate the revenue by NOT SPEEDING and convince everyone else in your municipality not to speed. Want to repeal some of the laws and regulations that are in place to protect the idiots who refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions? Start advocating the use of common sense and common courtesy. But stay out of my head and quit telling me what you think I think because you assume I disagree with you! Jesus, talk about the thought police!

Later!

...TS...

[NRA]

Is it just me or does it seem like gun owners are some of the most paranoid people in this world?

[Timestepper]

Is it just me or does it seem like gun owners are some of the most paranoid people in this world?

Actually, I'm beginning to think that some of the most paranoid people in the world just happen to be gun owners.

[NRA]

good point

[DaveTN]

Is it just me or does it seem like gun owners are some of the most paranoid people in this world?

[TMF]

You hear those helicopters? Of course you don't, they're stealth.

[Timestepper]

You hear those helicopters? Of course you don't, they're stealth.

Well, so long as they don't trip up the speed cameras, f*ck 'em!

[NRA]

Well, so long as they don't trip up the speed cameras, f*ck 'em!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[JohnC]

I said we'd never agree on the issue.

And personally, I don't care what any of you think of me.

It doesn't surprise me that we disagree with you guys on something like this and you lump us in a group of tin foil hat conspiracy theorists and paranoid folks.

So you can get it in your heads....

Cliffs: I'm a-ok with cops doing this job instead of cameras because they can actually slow fast driver through stopping them, fines and adding points on their record. Officers can actually do more, i.e., warrants, DUI's/DWI's, drug busts, etc.

Cliffs: Traffic cams just make money and do nothing for violators and crooks that could be caught in actual stops.

Sorry if my opinions upset you.

Edited May 27, 2012 by JohnC

[Timestepper]

Sorry if my opinions upset you.

Ditto.

[Sam1]

So you are blaming the cameras for the increased accidents and not the people for breaking the law to begin with? For the record I have not seen anything indicating that the accidents have increased. They may have or they may have not. I'm not sure.

they do, the few places that have removed them have studies showing this.

[R_Bert]

They said the same thing about Oak Ridge. And it hasn't made a difference. Everyone makes a big deal of these cameras and how it will ruin everything but when they're installed nothing changes. Don't speed and you won't have to worry.

It made a difference with me. I can't be the only one.

Walmart is 9-12 miles in three directions. Now I shop the one at Exit 122 or Clinton HWY most of the time. I also changed my routes to avoid TCs (and OR in general when possible).

Apparently TN Sales Taxes are the highest in the nation (OR taxes highest in TN). Traffic cameras in of them selves do not directly cause this, but they contribute, and are symptiomatic of the problems with administrations that choose to deploy them.

It also seems that in general, Oak Ridge has sure lost more economic support in the last 5 years than it has brought in, especially compared to Clinton.

But, I lay this at the feet of City Council.

Edited May 27, 2012 by R_Bert

[Sam1]

Sorry, but your argument just doesn't hold up.

The fact that "more people die every year" has nothing to do with the posted speed limit and everything to do with the reckless drivers who think that the posted speed limit doesn't or shouldn't apply to them. They are also the ones who don't take into account that not everyone shares their belief and so leave themselves no time to react when they suddenly come upon someone who is driving the posted limit.

Actually it has a lot to do with it reason #1 would be that TDOT is supposed to audit the road and decide on what the speed is. The area over there seen the revenue stream increase, so they decreased the speed 2 times without any audit... The #'s are out and about, that road is a million $ investment for traffic violations and most people that go there are from out of state so they just pay the fines without going to court... Easy money. Also going a slower speed can give people a false sense of security that everything will be perfectly ok and nothing can happen, or that they have plenty of time to react. Reality is most of the accidents around there are at or below the speed limit.

Back home in KY the state police were fighting everyone and their brother when we got the speed limits raised to 70mph up from 65mph. No more accidents occurred than before they were raised, but revenue went down and after about a year of losing money, they started writing tickets for 5mph instead of the old 10mph cutoff point.

This stuff is 100% about revenue generation, if safety was the actual concern we would have fresh paint at every intersection, better signs and better signals.

Edited May 27, 2012 by Sam1

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Is it just me or does it seem like gun owners are some of the most paranoid people in this world?

Open your eyes and over the years, while you see things changing and try to remember what things used to be like, and what laws have

changed to affect your liberty, you might have a different opinion of one's state of mind. People tend to trivialze something, and later

on, if they had paid attention, they might have done things differently.

And as far as the gun owner part of your statement, it's even more pronounced and troubling.

[Timestepper]

This stuff is 100% about revenue generation, if safety was the actual concern we would have fresh paint at every intersection, better signs and better signals.

Why bother? 90% of the motoring public doesn't pay any attention to intersection markings, signs or signals anyway! And they already have a false sense of security as evidenced by the fact that they jump in their cars and completely ignore what's going on around them - they don't give a damn about anything or anyone but themselves and where they are going - believe me, I drive an average of 110,000 miles a year and I witness it (and invariably have to avoid it!) every single freaking day.

[Guest bkelm18]

they do, the few places that have removed them have studies showing this.

So do you blame the gun when somebody gets shot?

[Guest bkelm18]

It made a difference with me. I can't be the only one.

Walmart is 9-12 miles in three directions. Now I shop the one at Exit 122 or Clinton HWY most of the time. I also changed my routes to avoid TCs (and OR in general when possible).

Apparently TN Sales Taxes are the highest in the nation (OR taxes highest in TN). Traffic cameras in of them selves do not directly cause this, but they contribute, and are symptiomatic of the problems with administrations that choose to deploy them.

It also seems that in general, Oak Ridge has sure lost more economic support in the last 5 years than it has brought in, especially compared to Clinton.

But, I lay this at the feet of City Council.

I live in Oak Ridge. I shop in Oak Ridge. I go to school in Oak Ridge. Not once have I triggered a speed camera or red light camera. Nor have I ever witnessed an accident or been part of an accident as a result of these cameras. I am a responsible driver. That is why I find it laughable that the people that call for these things to be removed are missing the point entirely. These things operate on money. When they stop catching speeders they will cease to exist. It's really that simple. Anyone can call them unconstitutional, however the courts will not agree with you.