Tea Party is still effective

[Oh Shoot]

The North Carolina results of the same sex marriage vote might be a preview for winning some of the swing states....

Well, Iowa and New Hampshire are swing states and gay marriage is legal in both. Like I said, perhaps sort of a wash nationwide, we'll see, all kinds of various ways to look at it at this point.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

OS, if that opinion is based in reality, then why have a clear majority of people in 32 states passed

legislation against that very opinion? Those are real votes, not some poll extrapolation by people

who might have a vested interest in portraying a certain outcome.

I agree with you, though, about the outcome of Obama's calculations with the topic. I doubt it will

benefit him at all with the gay voter because he left it open by the apparent recent discovery of

federalism. He left it up to the states, or, at least was vague enough that he might even piss off

his own base with it. I just hope Romney ignores the issue for the time being. He can just keep

on focusing on the economy and let Obama keep on hanging himself. I think the great one is

becoming desperate.

[Jonnin]

I think O hurt himself by taking a stand here. He had the majority of the people who vote pro-gay rights already, and I think its a net loss for him to lose the people who were ok with him being neutral but against him being pro-gay. gains him little but may cost him, in other words. Depends on how Mit reacts to it, of course. Or it could be forgotten entirely in a week or 2.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

That's why he wavered so much between 07 and now about it. He doesn't really have a stance on it,

like most liberal politician in public. Plausible deniability.

[mav]

OS, if that opinion is based in reality, then why have a clear majority of people in 32 states passed

legislation against that very opinion? Those are real votes, not some poll extrapolation by people

who might have a vested interest in portraying a certain outcome.

It is not. The information is coming from Wikipedia, which states that "prominent" polling groups have shown that the decision on gay marriage is pretty much split. Some polls have shown that a majority support gay marriage. However, as you correctly point out, when it is put to the voters, more than likely they will vote against it.

I don't put a lot of faith in polls. All of the Ron Paul polls are a perfect example of what I mean. I think the whole gay marriage polling is nothing but a bunch of horse s***. How are the questions worded, what is the sampling, who is conducting the poll (meaning the group and/or the individual asking the questions), is the poll phone-based or face to face, etc...? These are just a few questions that need to be taken into consideration when looking at a poll.

Also, Iowa can't be used as an example of the the population's view. Yes, it is a swing state that has allowed gay marriage. However, the measure was enacted through the court, not by the voters. And what happened to those three justices? They were thrown out on their a$$, which was a first for Iowa. Therefore, I would say Iowan's view is against gay marriage.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Thank you, mav. And that points to an agenda, doesn't it? Public opinion polls are tools to sway the public

to a certain narrative. That's why they are so popular nowadays. They replace some kind of honest reporting

of the news with crap generated artificially. It's good that there is a Tea Party. These folks are tired of the crap.

[Jonnin]

I am not too big into the conspiricy theroy stuff. So my take on polls is that the problem is you have liberal arts guys (journalists) trying to do math and science (the stuff they went out of the way to avoid in college!). And that is on par with a gorrila trying to use a fork and spoon to eat --- they can mimic, but it just ain't right, you know? Very few of these pollsters seem to understand the scientific method. Most of them can do statistics (which a smart 5th grader can also do if taught the formulas) but its deeper than that. To do a poll "right" you have to understand the math, science, psychology, and english/communications, and more all at a pretty deep level.

Are some of the pollsters trying to push an agenda? Yes, I think so. Are a lot of them just too stupid to do a meaningful poll of any sort? I think that is the majority of them, and the problem, personally.

[Oh Shoot]

OS, if that opinion is based in reality, then why have a clear majority of people in 32 states passed

legislation against that very opinion? Those are real votes, not some poll extrapolation by people

who might have a vested interest in portraying a certain outcome....

Lots of statistical ironies in this country I agree. One is difference in folks who have an opinion and those who actually show up at polls. Hell, less than 60% of eligible voters showed in '08, and that was highest in 40 years.

The other is, NC notwithstanding, these various resolutions/amendments have for the most part occurred from 1998-2010. And the upward tick in same-sex marriage approval, though steady over the same period, has just now essentially reached the 50/50 mark nationwide.

The fact that younger folks are overwhelmingly for it though, suggests that it will become law of the land in time; as even the disparity of those who vote rather than just opine still becomes more weighted with pro same-sex marriage as we older folks die off.

If the republic survives with actual national borders long enough, lots of the polling will become manifest in law over time as we boomers die out. Same-sex marriage, legalization of various drugs, etc. Firearms freedom is tough to figure though -- I'd opine that it will be more restricted over time, through generational "education" and more and more small restrictions like in most every other country in the world. On the other hand, probably we'll crash badly before we see them actually banned.

- OS

[mav]

Honestly, I think the country will crash before we ever see it turned into a liberal's utopia. I think this topic is evidence of such a conclusion. This country is a fiscal train wreck, and it is only getting worse, and what is the current hot topic? Gay marriage. Sheesh.

Hell, the only reason this topic is at the forefront is because the administration and the media are trying to divert people's attention away from how bad we are fiscally. Speaking of the younger generation (which I am still apart of), if they knew how bad they are going to be screwed, gay marriage would probably be the last thing on their mind.

[Guest bkelm18]

Honestly, I think the country will crash before we ever see it turned into a liberal's utopia. I think this topic is evidence of such a conclusion. This country is a fiscal train wreck, and it is only getting worse, and what is the current hot topic? Gay marriage. Sheesh.

Hell, the only reason this topic is at the forefront is because the administration and the media are trying to divert people's attention away from how bad we are fiscally. Speaking of the younger generation (which I am still apart of), if they knew how bad they are going to be screwed, gay marriage would probably be the last thing on their mind.

Oh come on, I know you know how a forum works. A topic comes up and people discuss it. That doesn't make it the most important or even a moderately important topic. If you come here for serious fiscal discussions, you're going to be very disappointed.

Edited May 11, 2012 by bkelm18

[mav]

Oh come on, I know you know how a forum works. A topic comes up and people discuss it. That doesn't make it the most important or even a moderately important topic. If you come here for serious fiscal discussions, you're going to be very disappointed.

I am not talking about the forum. The forum is of very little importance. I am talking about this being the sole topic of the media.

[Guest ThePunisher]

The fact that younger folks are overwhelmingly for it though, suggests that it will become law of the land in time; as even the disparity of those who vote rather than just opine still becomes more weighted with pro same-sex marriage as we older folks die off.

- OS

It is very important for the gay agenda to be implemented into the schools curriculum, so that they can brainwash the kids at the very early age groups to gain more support for their agenda and homosexual conversion. It is not surprising that the young age groups are more in favor of the same sex marriage. Just tell young kids it is ok to be gay and they believe it, just like the liberals and MSM tell a lie long enough so that the sheeple would believe it. The homosexual community know that the kids are vulnerable to their cause, and that is why most parents are trying to protect their kids from their agenda.

[Guest ThePunisher]

Thank you, mav. And that points to an agenda, doesn't it? Public opinion polls are tools to sway the public

to a certain narrative. That's why they are so popular nowadays. They replace some kind of honest reporting

of the news with crap generated artificially. It's good that there is a Tea Party. These folks are tired of the crap.

Thank goodness for the Tea Party.