I can't believe it, She won 200,000 of our taxes

[East_TN_Patriot]

I thought you could not use the civil courts for redress if you were breaking the law at the same time as the incident.

Like if you were breaking into a home and the homeowner beat the crap out of you. It was my understanding that the criminal could not sue because he was breaking the law at the time.

Dolomite

Nope, it happens all the time. Now winning is a different issue since it really depends on the totality of the circumstances. When it comes to law enforcement misconduct, what other options would you have? Even if you are a criminal, you still have rights. In this case, had the police not presumably violated the woman's 4th Amendment rights, there would have been no way of the police to know she was breaking the law in the first place.

[TGO David]

Locusts.

But I digress. The people who really deserve our anger are the attorneys and judges who project the privileges of citizenship on these criminals who come here and live illegally. I'm convinced that there are absolutely members of the legal profession who hate our country and who won't miss an opportunity to screw it over by twisting and perverting the legal system as a form of sadistic activism.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Locusts.

But I digress. The people who really deserve our anger are the attorneys and judges who project the privileges of citizenship on these criminals who come here and live illegally. I'm convinced that there are absolutely members of the legal profession who hate our country and who won't miss an opportunity to screw it over by twisting and perverting the legal system as a form of sadistic activism.

I feel the same way.

They're called Democrats.

[Guest mcgyver210]

This is disgusting any way you cut it that an Illegal Alien which is really a CRIMINAL that breaks the law blatantly & knowingly can steal Healthcare that my family has to pay for or loose all we have gained legally & also gets my money that is taken from my family by force so they can become rich.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I happen to agree with what ET is referring to. The problem is with laws that allow this type of behavior to exist,

in the first place. The problem with anchor babies allowed something else to happen. I think you can consider it

an unintended consequence of a probably unconstitutional law, or decision that was interpreted incorrectly.

That's a problem with too many laws being passed that conflict with other laws. They create gray areas that

politicians either didn't consider, or they saw it coming and wanted it all along.

I don't like it, either.

[East_TN_Patriot]

I happen to agree with what ET is referring to. The problem is with laws that allow this type of behavior to exist,

in the first place. The problem with anchor babies allowed something else to happen. I think you can consider it

an unintended consequence of a probably unconstitutional law, or decision that was interpreted incorrectly.

That's a problem with too many laws being passed that conflict with other laws. They create gray areas that

politicians either didn't consider, or they saw it coming and wanted it all along.

I don't like it, either.

Yes, and it's the immigrants who are caught in the middle of all of this. On one hand, I understand their desire to come to the US. Hell, how many of us are plotting our way out of here? However, we do have a process in place that should be simple enough to follow and enforce. We don't have it, and what we do have has not been enforced so now we have the mess we see now. At the end of the day, most of these people are decent law-abiding folks beyond their immigration status, many have been here for years, have children who were born here and know no other life, and work in our communities. The rates of criminal behavior in the immigrant community is actually lower than the native population ithe US and only equals the rates of native-born US citizens in the 2nd or 3rd generations of being in the country. Data shows that Hispanic/Latino defendants are only slightly more likely to skip out on a court date than other race/ethnic groups. In short, most of these people are simply caught up in our jacked up immigration policy in an effort to realize the American Dream.

Also, never forget that these people are human beings and our Declaration of Independence is clear that rights are natural to all human beings, not just American citizens. I am as frustrated and unsure what the best course of action is to alleviate this problem as most others, but I am not willing to round people up and herd them off like cattle. That was the policy of Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, and Jackson's Indian Removal.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I mostly agree, again. They can and should be deported when they are found. I can't go for amnesty. I have compassion,

but that compassion has to stand with justice and the people who immigrated legally. I even disagreed with Reagan on this one.

Sometimes practicality bastardizes justice, though, and it happened with the "anchor baby" misinterpretation as well, other than the

politics involved. It's just one of those gray areas that some day might get corrected when the citizens decide they want their just

society back. Stranger things have happened.

Definitely a frustrating issue.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

This is disgusting any way you cut it that an Illegal Alien which is really a CRIMINAL that breaks the law blatantly & knowingly can steal Healthcare that my family has to pay for or loose all we have gained legally & also gets my money that is taken from my family by force so they can become rich.

I don't like it one bit, either. We need to get people in office who will make or revise laws according to their constitutionality and reason and

logic, not emotion.

[BigK]

I don't agree completely that non-citizens have a right to due process in our legal system. If she'd followed the law and applied for citizenship then yes, she deserves her day in court to sue for being wronged. She broke in knowingly, dodged the law for however long she was here, and the instant she was found to be here illegally she should've been loaded on a bus and dropped off in the country of her origin.

[Guest CCI]

Yes, and it's the immigrants who are caught in the middle of all of this. On one hand, I understand their desire to come to the US. Hell, how many of us are plotting our way out of here? However, we do have a process in place that should be simple enough to follow and enforce. We don't have it, and what we do have has not been enforced so now we have the mess we see now. At the end of the day, most of these people are decent law-abiding folks beyond their immigration status, many have been here for years, have children who were born here and know no other life, and work in our communities. The rates of criminal behavior in the immigrant community is actually lower than the native population ithe US and only equals the rates of native-born US citizens in the 2nd or 3rd generations of being in the country. Data shows that Hispanic/Latino defendants are only slightly more likely to skip out on a court date than other race/ethnic groups. In short, most of these people are simply caught up in our jacked up immigration policy in an effort to realize the American Dream.

Also, never forget that these people are human beings and our Declaration of Independence is clear that rights are natural to all human beings, not just American citizens. I am as frustrated and unsure what the best course of action is to alleviate this problem as most others, but I am not willing to round people up and herd them off like cattle. That was the policy of Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, and Jackson's Indian Removal.

There are states that are hurting for money, due to the number of them being held in coustody!

Edited May 10, 2012 by CCI

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I don't agree completely that non-citizens have a right to due process in our legal system. If she'd followed the law and applied for citizenship then yes, she deserves her day in court to sue for being wronged. She broke in knowingly, dodged the law for however long she was here, and the instant she was found to be here illegally she should've been loaded on a bus and dropped off in the country of her origin.

No one's disagreeing with you. It's that grey area that allows the problem to exist. All people are afforded due process in this country.

The root problem is how we deal with illegal immigration, in the first place. Secondly, laws were passed by people we choose to allow

to remain in congress that reward bad behavior. For those same illegals. The problem mounts. In some areas our laws have gotten to the

point of being sanctuaries for illegals. Those laws are by states and municipalities that are in direct violation of the constitution. The

states don't have the right to legislate that. Except in the case of Arizona where the state is responding to a suit by the Holder regime

to not enforce existing laws. Arizona is trying to make the federal government do their job by making their law enforcement agencies

able to do it in the absence of the feds willingness to do it. Holder is violating the laws that regulate his job, for political reasons only.

it's a muddy issue few are willing to tackle.

[mav]

The root problem is how we deal with illegal immigration, in the first place.

Simple enough. Enforce existing laws, correctly interpret the 14th ammendment, and remove all incentives that draw people into this country illegally. To those states or cities that want to defy federal law and act as a sanctuary city, lets see how long that lasts when they are denied federal funding.

[BigK]

Where is this illegal alien right now? Unless the answer is her country of origin, I'm even more angry.

Let's say a black man is pulled over due to racial profiling, but the officer finds a kilo of coccaine, a 12 yr old kid tied up in the trunk, child porn, and an illegally modified AK-47. Do we pay him $200K for his inconvenience and return his drugs, hostage, porn and gun? Hell no we don't!

So, this woman better have at least been deported, because getting to stay here is the equivalence.