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this is promising:

"We've got to take our role back as parents. We got to put our foot down and discipline our kids."

but then

Jonhson also says there needs to be more programs in the community for kids and parents

means zero real progress after all. Always asking for government to do what the parents will not. Normal, nonviolent kids did not get that way from some government funded program.

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Parents lost the ability to take care of their own kids when they choose to not discipline and let the kids get away with everything at home and out in public. You know a person has failed as a parent when you see them out in public and the kid is getting the parent what to do and getting it their way all the time. I know everyone of us has seen out of control kids with their parents while shopping. When you see a 4-5 year crying and begging for an item and then the parent gives in and changes NO to Yes , they have just gave that kid re-enforcement that if they act up they get their way, meaning fail as parents and then look for other things(people) to blame.

I know my Dad kept me in line and he didn't abuse me either. I don't recall every being a brat to my parents probably because they corrected me if I did early. If a parent does not correct their kids from the start they lose control as the kid gets older.

When I was in school like most of you, they had corporal punishment as well, I will admit k-8 I never went a year with out at least one or 2 visits to the hall way. I still support corporal punishment even though it is not considered PC. The hell with being PC all the time.

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I read both those stories and I don't know what else she could have done. She certainly said the right things. It appears that her and the boys father were involved in his life. The kid played sports. Reads like he was a decent kid.

If it was a white kid from Bearden would there be any questioning the parenting?

Kids get to an age and you cannot lock them down inside the home 24/7.

She probably had no idea what he was up to that night, and he probably was put up to it by older kids or an adult.

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But ?????????? it is your duty as a parent? You can bet I knew exactly were my kids were at the age of 13. I rember one call were we called the mom at 1:00am and asked if she knew were little Jonny was and she told us he was in bed sleeping. I was looking at him in the back seat of a patrol car.

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"I just want the truth, just makes it seem like Jaquares was some type of gangster or hood person in the street doing wrong, he was not like that. Me and his father stayed on him."

Yeah, yeah, yeah, "he was a good boy".

I hate to tell you momma, but he WAS "some kind of gangster or hood person in the street doing wrong". That's why he was robbing someone at gunpoint.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past.

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Hopefully this won't make the media get all upset like the Martin/Zimmerman case. If Jaquares hadn't pulled a gun he wouldn't have been shot, simple as that. Whatever the circumstance, whether he was put up to it or not, was stupid. If any program should be implemented, it should be teaching critical thinking in schools. If he had thought about potential outcomes or the people he was with it probably would have ended differently.

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There is nothing wrong with local community activities for children, but the parent's shouldn't depend on that for raising their kids, especially at that age. Once you get past the 17-18 age there isn't much you can do, but you can when they're younger.

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Guest 6.8 AR

Just another "victim" of a run away "anything goes" society. Let the gangs raise your kids and this is what

you get.

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Its not just the parent though. My parents were very, very good. And, in the end, I turned out OK as well. But as a teenager, did they really know what I was doing 24-7? No. At some point, 13, 15, 17, a teen begins to be places they should not, doing those things they should not. I did them, most of us did. Rob someone with a gun, no that never crossed my mind, never thought of going off to hurt someone or even damage property, but we did plenty of things that had our parents (or other adults) known would have been "bad" (for us, only victims would have been ourselves!). Thing is, my parents thought they knew where I was, who was there, and what I was doing. Often, they only had the 1 thing right (who I was with). We often found the means to go out and about, and do stuff. Its not their fault for not knowing where we were.... its darn near impossible to do that with a teen unless you lock them in a cage.

Which leads to this pretty basic but ugly truth: some people are just no good. Good parents, decent lifestyle, no reason to turn bad, but they do. Other kids have everything against them, and turn out to be productive, well adjusted and great people. Parents are a HUGE factor, but there are plenty of times when good parents produce sorry offspring. Can't blame the parents in every case. In this case? Maybe, maybe not, there isnt enough to say. Sounds like he WAS a good kid. It only takes a few min of peer pressure from the local low-downs to undo a decade of parenting --- and that happens all too often. It only takes screwing up once to get caught and ruin your life, or end it. Was this the first time, or the 100th? In the end, it does not matter.

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"put up to it" or not, the kid should have known what he was about to do was wrong before attempting the robbery. If not, it simply means that he had never been shown the difference between right and wrong. He got what he, better yet, the parents got what they deserved.

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"put up to it" or not, the kid should have known what he was about to do was wrong before attempting the robbery. If not, it simply means that he had never been shown the difference between right and wrong. He got what he, better yet, the parents got what they deserved.

I am sure he knew it was wrong, and I am sure that his mom taught him better. Honestly, even if she didnt, he knew it was wrong unless he was a sociopath or actually mentally disabled, or something else outside the norm. No functional person over age 10 would try armed robbery and think it was "OK to do because mama never said not to".

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If I remember correctly, Frank and Jesse James were the sons of a baptist minister. I agree the parents should do all they can but sometimes, that isn't enough. Think back to when you were a teen-ager. How many times did you get away with something that could have turned out very badly. I know I did many times.

I would say that most of the time, better parenting will turn out better kids...but not always.

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If I remember correctly, Frank and Jesse James were the sons of a baptist minister. I agree the parents should do all they can but sometimes, that isn't enough. Think back to when you were a teen-ager. How many times did you get away with something that could have turned out very badly. I know I did many times.

I would say that most of the time, better parenting will turn out better kids...but not always.

Some of the worst kids I've run into were the offspring of ministers and cops. Sorry. Unless you want to start talking about bad genes (which is a total waste of time) all I will ever do is continue to blame the parents.

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