Snake!!!!

[dralarms]

It's just downright F'n hilarious! I was helping a friend work on his house with another friend who was scared of snakes. I was standing beside a partially unrolled roll of flashing, that had been there for sometime. I stood there thinkin "Hmm, I bet that'd be a good place for a snake...". So I hollered at him to come here. Bout' the time he got there, I hauled off and kicked the flashing and sure enough about a 5 foot Garter snake shot out of it. You never seen the like of arms flailin, highsteppin, sqealin' and carryin on. It looked like his knees were up to his ears every time he took a step flittin around there. I thought He was gonna beat himself to death before he go away from it.

Damn, that sounds alot like me....

Paint a female moth on your finger, when he opens his legs, PINCH! I know that'll do it, I've seen it on Tom & Jerry a million times and it's always worked.

You sir are crazy. ROTFLOL

[Marswolf]

For some reason, it seems to upset my friends when I play with their snakes rather than killing them.

[memphismason]

What Dead Snake?......I didn't kill any snakes......oh, you mean that snake....he was like that when I got here Mr. "Snake Rights" Officer

[dralarms]

What Dead Snake?......I didn't kill any snakes......oh, you mean that snake....he was like that when I got here Mr. "Snake Rights" Officer

ROTFLOL:D

[jughead]

i know for sure with the right seasoning that rattlesnake is good eating.

[Guest Centennial]

That is a very large copperhead. I'd guess it is about 3 1/2 feet long, maybe 4. Most adult copperheads are about a foot shorter.

[strickj]

Under Michie - This is the ONLY law I see on the books about Snakes:

39-17-101. Handling snakes so as to endanger life prohibited. —

(a) It is an offense for a person to display, exhibit, handle, or use a poisonous or dangerous snake or reptile in a manner that endangers the life or health of any person.

( An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

Didnt this start as a result of the mountain snake handler churches?

Originally Posted by Marswolf

For some reason, it seems to upset my friends when I play with their snakes rather than killing them

Hey buddy :crazy:

[Fallguy]

Didnt this start as a result of the mountain snake handler churches?

I believe that is exactly right.

[Guest Medic908]

The Differential Theory of US Armed Forces (Snake Model) upon encountering a snake in the Area of Operations (AO)

1. Infantry: Snake smells them, leaves area.

2. Airborne: Lands on and kills the snake.

3. Armor: Runs over snake, laughs, and looks for more snakes.

4. Aviation: Has Global Positioning Satellite coordinates to snake. Can't find snake. Returns to base for refuel, crew rest and manicure.

5. Ranger: Plays with snake, then eats it.

6. Field Artillery: Kills snake with massive Time On Target barrage with three Forward Artillery Brigades in support. Kills several hundred civilians as unavoidable collateral damage. Mission is considered a success and all participants (i.e., cooks, mechanics and clerks) are awarded Silver Stars.

7. Special Forces: Makes contact with snake, ignores all State Department directives and Theater Commander Rules of Engagement by building rapport with snake and winning its heart and mind. Trains it to kill other snakes. Files enormous travel settlement upon return.

8. Combat Engineer: Studies snake. Prepares in-depth doctrinal thesis in obscure 5 series Field Manual about how to defeat snake using countermobility assets. Complains that maneuver forces don't understand how to properly conduct doctrinal counter-snake ops.

9. Navy SEAL: Expends all ammunition and calls for naval gunfire support in failed attempt to kill snake. Snake bites SEAL and retreats to safety. Hollywood makes fantasy film in which SEALS kill Muslim extremist snakes.

10. Navy: Fires off 50 cruise missiles from various types of ships, kills snake and makes presentation to Senate Appropriations Committee on how Naval forces are the most cost-effective means of anti-snake force projection.

11. Marine: Kills snake by accident while looking for souvenirs. Local civilians demand removal of all US forces from Area of Operations.

12. Marine Recon: Follows snake, gets lost.

13. Combat Controllers: Guides snake elsewhere.

14. Para-Rescue Jumper: Wounds snake in initial encounter, then works feverishly to save snake's life.

15. Quartermaster: (NOTICE: Your anti-snake equipment is on backorder.)

16. C-17 Transport pilot: Receives call for anti-snake equipment, delivers two weeks after due date.

17. F-15 pilot: Mis-identifies snake as enemy Mil-24 Hind helicopter and engages with missiles. Crew chief paints snake kill on aircraft.

18. F-16 pilot: Finds snake, drops two CBU-87 cluster bombs, and misses snake target, but get direct hit on Embassy 100 KM East of snake due to weather (Too Hot also Too Cold, Was Clear but too overcast, Too dry with Rain, Unlimited ceiling with low cloud cover etc.) Claims that purchasing multi-million dollar, high-tech snake-killing device will enable it in the future to kill all snakes and achieve a revolution in military affairs.

19. AH-64 Apache pilot: Unable to locate snake, snakes don't show well on infra-red. Infrared only operable in desert AO's without power lines or SAM's.

20. UH-60 Blackhawk pilot: Finds snake on fourth pass after snake builds bonfire, pops smoke, lays out VS 17 to mark Landing Zone. Rotor wash blows snake into fire.

21. B-52 pilot: Pulls ARCLIGHT mission on snake, kills snake and every other living thing within two miles of target.

22. MinuteMan Missile crew: Lays in target coordinates to snake in 20seconds, but can't receive authorization from National Command Authority to use nuclear weapons.

23. Intelligence officer: Snake? What snake? Only four of 35 indicators of snake activity are currently active. We assess the potential for snake activity as LOW.

24. Judge Advocate General (JAG): Snake declines to bite, citing grounds of professional courtesy.

25. Signal: Tries to communicate with snake...fail repeated attempts. Complains that the snake did not have the correct fill or did not know how to work equipment a child could operate. Signal Officer informs the commander that he could easily communicate with the snake using just his voice. Commander insists that he NEEDS to video-conference with the snake, with real-time streaming positional and logistical data on the snake displayed on video screens to either side. Gives Signal Corps $5 Billion to make this happen. SigO abuses the 2 smart people in the corps to make it happen, while everybody else stands around, bitches, and takes credit. In the end, General Dynamics and several sub-contractors make a few billion dollars, the 2 smart people get out and go to work for them, and the commander gets what he asked for only in fiber-optic based simulations. The snake is forgotten.

[Guest eyebedam]

Snakes give me the Heebie Jeebies.

[Guest Boomhower]

I am not like Pokey or Boom and handle these things every Sunday.

Well, I was going to stay out of this one, but it appears that I have been dragged into it......and might I add that the copperhead picture'd has to be the biggest CH I've ever seen. I could remove that snake for you.

Click, click, BOOM!!

[towerclimber37]

*sigh*

"

and for your transgressions against the Lord almighty, you shall crawl in the dust, upon your belly for all your days, and the heel of man shall bruise your head."

Folks, if you leave them alone, they will leave you alone. I understand your reasoning that the snake may be dangerous. I understand that you're afraid of it. THINK willya?

A snake will NOT attack a target that is larger than it is, unless provoked. so you're going to start a fight with a weaker animal and then kill it? If you're afraid of it, let it be. In return, you'll get less disease (they eat rats folks and rats carry fleas. those fleas carry nasty little surprises like TYPHUS (thats the black plague for you folks that are not that swift). they carry OTHER diseases as well.) They also eat bugs and all sorts of other animals that really suck when they bite you!!!

poor animals...they make ONE little mistake and they spend the rest of eternity trying to make up for it..what do they get? trouble.

They also go out of their way to leave folks alone if they leave the snake alone. if you came after me with a shovel, I'd try to bite ya too!

[Guest 70below]

I'm by no means a snake fan, I grew up in a state with no wild snakes, so I'm not terribly comfortable around them. I don't go out of my way to kill them, but it gets your heart racing when you pick up a cardboard box out of the yard and there is 4ft snake coiled up underneath it! However, in a neighborhood, which appears to be the case with that copperhead, I wouldn't hesitate in blasting it. While I wouldn't be so worried about myself or it not fleeing me, I would feel like crap if it went and curled up in the playhouse of one of my neighbors kids and the kids poked at it and got bit by the copperhead or a rattler.

[Warbird]

I'm by no means a snake fan, I grew up in a state with no wild snakes, so I'm not terribly comfortable around them. I don't go out of my way to kill them, but it gets your heart racing when you pick up a cardboard box out of the yard and there is 4ft snake coiled up underneath it! However, in a neighborhood, which appears to be the case with that copperhead, I wouldn't hesitate in blasting it. While I wouldn't be so worried about myself or it not fleeing me, I would feel like crap if it went and curled up in the playhouse of one of my neighbors kids and the kids poked at it and got bit by the copperhead or a rattler.

EXACTLY! Anyone who has kids would never say, unless they were absolutely off their rockers, that some poisonous snake in their yard hanging out is doing nothing to anyone.

I think the only people who could say that have never lived near copperheads and cottonmouths. Those are very aggressive poisonous snakes. Man I'd never let them live near me and even though rattlers will usually avoid conflict a child or dog may not know better and get bitten. Better a dead snake than a dead child.

I will also point out that website, tnsnakes.org is not a state entity they are a non-profit organization and put whatever they want to on their site, They site no code on it at all. In the case of a snake being in your yard you have every right to kill it w/o fear of breaking any law. There is no snake in TN on the endangered species list. This law pertains to handling and hunting snakes for the purpose of killing for hides or selling as exotics.

Growing up we had many snakes around, the biggest pains were the black racers because they would chase you if you ran from them. But, they kill poisonous snakes, so we always left them alone.

[Mike.357]

Better a dead snake than a dead child

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Aahhh the old "it's for the children" ploy

[dralarms]

I think the only people who could say that have never lived near copperheads and cottonmouths. Those are very aggressive poisonous snakes.

I think herein lies my problem with snakes. When I was younger (12 or 13) I was chased by a Water mossican. Never knew a snake would chase a person. Dang I about had a heart attack.

[Warbird]

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Aahhh the old "it's for the children" ploy

In this instance, yes. Period. To me anyway. I won't try to get the government to tell you to kill the snake for the children. It doesn't take a village to kill a snake.

[Guest Phantom6]

*sigh*

"

and for your transgressions against the Lord almighty, you shall crawl in the dust, upon your belly for all your days, and the heel of man shall bruise your head."

And the shotgun of man shall cut your snake ass to little pieces.

*A snake will NOT attack a target that is larger than it is, unless provoked. ......

They also go out of their way to leave folks alone if they leave the snake alone. if you came after me with a shovel, I'd try to bite ya too!

Those are broad generalizations. Copperheads are very aggressive snakes. Up on a farm I used to have in the Beech Grove community of Morgan County I was walking along a path carrying a bucket from the barn to the tool shed when I heard and felt a thump on the side of the bucket. I turned to see what it was and saw a copperhead thrashing around in the grass just off the edge of the path. It had left the security of the higher grass and tried to strike me in the thigh but hit the bucket instead. It knocked itself silly and lay there coiling and thrashing around. I normally like to live and let live but I figured that this snake was at least now brain damaged so I dispatched him to "the great habitat in the sky" with a shovel I retrieved from the tool shed.

Of course that was a copperhead. I don't know much about them rattlers as unlike Boomhower I don't handle 'em every Sunday.

[Ricochet]

Let me get this right.... if you feel threatened by a BG you can shoot to stop the threat but if you feel threatened by a poisenous snake then get over it and let it go? Hmmmmm not happening. If there is a poisenous snake in my yard it is going to the great snake pit in hell cause it ain't living where my grandchildren play or my dogs walk. I hate snakes and yes the non poisenous ones should probably be left alone but the poisenous ones are gonna die if I find them in my yard.

Had a friend that was in her yard with her 3 year old son and dog, the boy was walking and almost stepped on a copperhead, the snake coiled and was ready to strike and dog jumped and grabbed snake and the fight was on. End result, thank God her son was not biten and was ok, the snake died but dog also died from snake bites, he was a little dog but brave!

Its not that I want to kill stuff but if something has a propensity to cause harm then it's not hanging in my backyard!

Edited May 2, 2008 by Guns&Dobes

[Guest Natosha]

Let me get this right.... if you feel threatened by a BG you can shoot to stop the threat but if you feel threatened by a poisenous snake then get over it and let it go? Hmmmmm not happening. If there is a poisenous snake in my yard it is going to the great snake pit in hell cause it ain't living where my grandchildren play or my dogs walk. I hate snakes and yes the non poisenous ones should probably be left alone but the poisenous ones are gonna die if I find them in my yard.

Had a friend that was in her yard with her 3 year old son and dog, the boy was walking and almost stepped on a copperhead, the snake coiled and was ready to strike and dog jumped and grabbed snake and the fight was on. End result, thank God her son was not biten and was ok, the snake died but dog also died from snake bites, he was a little dog but brave!

Its not that I want to kill stuff but if something has a propensity to cause harm then it's not hanging in my backyard!

Well said Mom! I would kill it. Yuck i hate snakes!

[Guest UKTN]

Here is a link that says it is illegal to kill snakes in TN

http://www.tennsnakes.org/

[Fallguy]

Let me get this right.... if you feel threatened by a BG you can shoot to stop the threat but if you feel threatened by a poisenous snake then get over it and let it go?

I don't think that is what anyone is saying. If I fell threatened by a snake I would kill one with the TWRA officer next to me.

But the position of some are that you can't/shouldn't kill them just because they are in your visual range if they are not an immediate threat.

Others contend that they ARE a threat if they are simply in your visual range.

I don't hunt (nothing against it, just don't) so I admit I'm not as familiar with Wildlife laws as some others. But what I basically get from it is... You can not kill/capture ANY wildlife in TN without a proper permit/license and then only during an open season for that animal. AFAIK TN does not issue permits to hunt snakes and for that reason there is no snake season. Therefore making it illegal to kill for the sake of killing, IMO defense of life/property is different. I think that one statute I posted (70-4-115) even mentioned that you could kill an animal if it was damaging your property. But even then you need a permit if it is Big Game.

[Ricochet]

Thanks and that makes sense Steve so I agree on most of it, but to me a visual of them in my yard is a threat because my grandkids play in my yard and one is only 16 months old and my dogs go out at night to potty and sometimes my husband or I go with them and I don't want any of us to be biten because we step on one not knowing it is there or my dogs getting biten.

As far as being out in the woods or state parks and seeing one, I would just go on my way and let it go on it's way, I have no need to harm something in the wilderness, but the statements I made are concerning my castle yard.

Edited May 2, 2008 by Guns&Dobes

[Fallguy]

Anytime G&D....and you bring up a good point that I didn't.

The location of the visual range could make a difference.

[Warbird]

Here is a link that says it is illegal to kill snakes in TN

http://www.tennsnakes.org/

As I said earlier, this is a non-profit organization. They are NOT an official state entity and have zero authority to ever tell me what I will do or not do. Who cares what they put on their site they can say the sky is black, that doesn't make it so. They site no code at all on that site either. And the code that exists does not pertain to these situations at all.

I know the law and I don't need for them to tell me the law, they have their own ulterior motives.. Never worry about killing a snake in your yard if you feel it's a threat to you. Period.

If you want to worry about the snake huggers then do, but I sure as hell won't.