Morals

[Guest profgunner]

I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture.

Wow. I just looked at the Wiki site ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture ) and there are one heck of a lot of opinions about this! So how does one decide which version is correct?

[Guest ThePunisher]

Well, I don't know anything about that. Can you please point me to a source of information?

Thanks,

Steve

Read 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in the Bible or look up "Rapture" in Wikipedia as a resource, and it explains about the rapture pretty well. You can google also for lots of info.

[Guest profgunner]

Read 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in the Bible or look up "Rapture" in Wikipedia as a resource, and it explains about the rapture pretty well. You can google also for lots of info.

Well I'll be darned. I wasn't even aware of the "Christian Environmentalist" movement ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_environmentalist ) and am blown away that they are actually concerned about the environmental impact of the rapture. Thanks for sharing. Steve

[Mike.357]

Until they got too tired to tread any more.

yeah, so if they got too tired to tread water anymore explain how I am here.

[Guest ThePunisher]

Thanks for sharing. Steve

No problem, I rejoice in suffering for Christ's name.

[Mike.357]

it confuses me greatly that christians have different beliefs.

Was edumacated in catholic institutions of learning through grade 12 and not once did they mention rapture.

I am pretty sure the nuns aren't liars.

[Guest bkelm18]

it confuses me greatly that christians have different beliefs.

Was edumacated in catholic institutions of learning through grade 12 and not once did they mention rapture.

I am pretty sure the nuns aren't liars.

Oh don't worry. Christianity, and pretty much most religions, are chock-full of contradictions.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Well, wife just vetoed extracurricular excursion tonight. But there will be other times. Would be an absolute blast to hook up with you guys sometimes. I have to say I've only been on this board a short time, but I'm really impressed with the intellectual quality of the discussions. And AR you are right, any groupthink session definitely needs to be WAY out in the woods!

It would be well worth it, friend. We need to figure out a get together for some weekend. I haven't depleted my personal

leave days, so I should be able to. I doubt I'd hold up much of any intellectual discussion, but I could say "the Hell with you

brains, get down on my level" It would be fun. I'd end up being Zombie watchguard with Mike's cannon.

[Mike.357]

Oh don't worry. Christianity, and pretty much most religions, are chock-full of contradictions.

blasphemy

[Guest bkelm18]

blasphemy

[Guest 6.8 AR]

it confuses me greatly that christians have different beliefs.

Was edumacated in catholic institutions of learning through grade 12 and not once did they mention rapture.

I am pretty sure the nuns aren't liars.

Catholics don't pound the end times stuff on you. The nuns didn't get into it at Aquinas, at all.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Oh don't worry. Christianity, and pretty much most religions, are chock-full of contradictions.

Like everyone else, Spock

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Another thread in the gutter.

[Guest profgunner]

I'm not sure the contradictions matter, as faith requires no evidentiary support. You simply choose to believe and that is the end of the story. This is very much different from my take on things, but the vast majority of people on this planet seem to subscribe to it in some form. I don't think religious belief per se is a bad thing. It's only a problem when people insist upon pushing their viewpoints on others. Fundamentalism acted out is bad news. Most folks, no matter what they believe, just want to be left alone.

Edited April 15, 2012 by profgunner

[Guest bkelm18]

Like everyone else, Spock

That would be illogical, Captain.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm not sure the contradictions matter, as faith requires no evidentiary support. Isn't that the hallmark of religion? You simply choose to believe and that is the end of the story. This is very much different from my take on things, but the vast majority of people on this planet seem to subscribe to it in some form. I don't think religious belief per se is a bad thing. It's only a problem when people insist upon pushing their viewpoints on others. Fundamentalism acted out is bad news. Most folks, no matter what they believe, just want to be left alone.

That's why I don't try to push my views on others. Religion doesn't need to be pushy. Those who think it should

are missing part of the message.

[Oh Shoot]

I'm not sure the contradictions matter, as faith requires no evidentiary support. ,,,

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." - Robert Persig

"Religion; noun: A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." - Ambrose Bierce

[Guest profgunner]

That's why I don't try to push my views on others. Religion doesn't need to be pushy. Those who think it should

are missing part of the message.

Makes sense to me.

[Mike.357]

Another thread in the gutter.

don't look at it like that, I prefer to see it as a thread within a thread

[Oh Shoot]

don't look at it like that, I prefer to see it as a thread within a thread

Should have been in General Chat in the first place. Political it ain't.

- OS

[Guest profgunner]

Well, adios amigos. "All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. " - Ambrose Bierce

[Guest bkelm18]

I'm not sure the contradictions matter, as faith requires no evidentiary support. You simply choose to believe and that is the end of the story. This is very much different from my take on things, but the vast majority of people on this planet seem to subscribe to it in some form. I don't think religious belief per se is a bad thing. It's only a problem when people insist upon pushing their viewpoints on others. Fundamentalism acted out is bad news. Most folks, no matter what they believe, just want to be left alone.

Oh I know. It really doesn't matter to me what you believe, as long as you understand what you're believing. It's just blind belief and willful ignorance that get my goat.

[Guest ThePunisher]

People were always looking for prophesy to be fulfilled in Old Testament times, and people today have probably wondered about prophesy and wished to witness prophesy fulfilled. On May 14,1948, the prophesy of the re-birth of the nation of Israel was fulfilled after the Jewish people were dispersed all over the world for two thousand years. I don't know whether this event is important to anyone or not, but it is a bible prophesy fulfilled. To me, this is evidence that the Bible is a true testament sworn by the word of God. I am a witness to the re-birth of Israel as promised in the Bible over two thousand years ago. No contradictions here.

[R_Bert]

Oh I know. It really doesn't matter to me what you believe, as long as you understand what you're believing. It's just blind belief and willful ignorance that get my goat.

Question...who defines "blind belief and willful ignorance" in regards to faith (and how is it defined)?

Edited April 15, 2012 by R_Bert

[Oh Shoot]

...On May 14,1948, the prophesy of the re-birth of the nation of Israel was fulfilled ...

I give more credit to the bulldog tenacity of the Jews as a race/culture than any divine intervention. They've made their own "prophesy" a reality.

Whatever, but of course they dismiss the Jesus addendum to their own bible. Jewish bud of mine from yesteryear always used to carp about that -- basically, "if you Christians wanted to reinvent the legend of Horus, why did you have to tack it on to our much older existing ethos?" He really resented it on a personal level, used to love to hear him rant.

But they'll get theirs, right, since they're all going to hell anyway?

- OS

Edited April 15, 2012 by OhShoot